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what are you insinuating here?

That the timing of the press release is interesting... first business day after the election is called.

Massive corporations do have political agendas. I don't think anyone would argue they don't. But maybe it's just coincidence?

First business day after the election was called, but not after the election itself (i.e. people couldn't vote after 11/02). Or are you saying that they were planning on not releasing this at all in case of a Trump win and not just trying to influence the election?

The thought didn't even cross my mind that they'd hold the vaccine for political reasons. Just the press release. Holding the vaccine itself for political reasons would be murder on a mass scale.

In your conspiracy theory, surely, they'd just have announced after polls closed? Why wait for it to be called? Also, this vaccine was actually developed by a German company, who would likely resent their partner playing this game.

This timing is consistent with when we've been told we might see early results all along, really; it shouldn't be that surprising. Expect announcements from other teams over the next couple of months.

He's just saying the timing is impeccable.

That cvoid will dissappear after the election. pfizer clearly had this data earlier and held it until after election

Citation needed.

No, there is no citation needed. They didn’t discover this data all in the last week.

There is some incremental work that was done toward confirming this result and typing this press release in the last week.

It’s not like they waited till last week to collect the data. They have ongoing surveillance of their entire study population.

In a double-blind, phase 3 trial only one group has on-going data access: the independent group conducting the study. No one else, including patients, doctors, and the business, has any knowledge of the results until they are "unsealed". That continues to be true throughout the entire trial even if preliminary results are unsealed at different points.

Precisely. They have seen 94 infections total so far, based on the statistics that’s likely to be almost entirely in the control group. Those infections are reported as they come in, so for example, perhaps last week there were 87 infections. The study ends once they hit ~150 infections, based on their sample size that will give them the confidence intervals they need to finalize.

So the difference between announcing preliminary results last week versus this week was their own internal decision on timing.

Ok, I have to partially take that back. According the Pfizer they intentionally did not confirm the data until last Wednesday.

> The first analysis was to occur after 32 volunteers — both those who received the vaccine and those on placebo — had contracted Covid-19. If fewer than six volunteers in the group who received the vaccine had developed Covid-19, the companies would make an announcement that the vaccine appeared to be effective. The study would continue until at least 164 cases of Covid-19 — individuals with at least one symptom and a positive test result — had been reported.

> In their announcement of the results, Pfizer and BioNTech revealed a surprise. The companies said they had decided not to conduct the 32-case analysis “after a discussion with the FDA.” Instead, they planned to conduct the analysis after 62 cases. But by the time the plan had been formalized, there had been 94 cases of Covid-19 in the study. It’s not known how many were in the vaccine arm, but it would have to be nine or fewer.

> Gruber said that Pfizer and BioNTech had decided in late October that they wanted to drop the 32-case interim analysis. At that time, the companies decided to stop having their lab confirm cases of Covid-19 in the study, instead leaving samples in storage. The FDA was aware of this decision. Discussions between the agency and the companies concluded, and testing began this past Wednesday. When the samples were tested, there were 94 cases of Covid in the trial. The DSMB met on Sunday.

Discussions between the agency and the companies concluded, and testing began this past Wednesday.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/09/covid-19-vaccine-from-pf...

They did wait until last week to collect the data. Wednesday, in fact.

They intentionally kept the samples frozen in their lab until the day after the election. The most important vaccine in the 21st century, and they kept the samples on ice? That's incredible.

They could not have released it. Coronavirus was like 80% the democrats platform. Without that, they truly had nothing.

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