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Nice! I'm founder of workflowy and this is indeed very cool.* I've often thought about a vim-like navigation mode for jumping around.

* https://workflowy.com in case you aren't familiar

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Your site doesn't provide any information about price or features. It just drops a box in front of me to enter my email address - not exactly the most effective way to turn me into a customer. I might give you my email only to find out that the "free" plan is very limited, you lock my data in your garden, and upgrading to a real plan is really expensive.

Not the op, but there is a public playground here [1] that may help evaluate the app.

https://www.workflowy.com/online-notepad/

FWIW, it takes some getting used to, but redeems itself as quite powerful once you get the hang of it.

Yeah, we're going to address this. A/B tests and metrics guided us to this (it converts better), and I don't know why the minimal-information thing has worked well for us, maybe it forces people to try it out. I think some of it has to do with the fact that most of it is just word of mouth, and probably our attempts at more information weren't well done.

We're working on building a library of examples with video and interactive documents that people can play with and find from the home page.

I stayed with workflowy for long time but found that it stopped bringing in anything new at all. The community around it is writing blogs and articles about how to do this and that with workflowy. While all they do is provide how they made their own workflow to tackle a problem in a very limited environment. It like someone inventing markdown formatting for writing using Notepad more efficiently.

I moved to Dynalist and the thing I use most is its API. I have setup a custom chrome extension to save notes and bookmarks to it with just one click. Also set it up to send links to it from my phone. Set it up with Github Actions to keep updated 'List of X' articles on my blog.

It does what workflowy does and more. I stayed with workflowy for a long time and wasn't very happy to move over but workflowy has stopped growing.

You need to take something from Dynalist just as they did from Workflowy.

I get the impression that most of the limitations of Workflowy and lack of feature additions is intentional. Sometimes less is more. I understand why some might prefer to Dynalist, though I've stuck with WF.

What are the API features you use most and would want/need?

Also, we were frozen for a long time but have been making meaningful improvements for a while now, I’m guessing your evaluation of us not growing comes from the olden days.

As we do work on things, though, we have standards for usability and polish that are higher than Dynalist and Roam, so things take longer.

Images is a good example, which will be coming out soon. We’re just going to do a good job with it, whereas the functionality in these other tools is a little weird and feels tacked on, at least to me.

Ability to get and update any node would be great. What I don't like about Dynalist is separate files though.

I really like minimalism and polish of workflowy. It doesn't have a lot but the functionality it has was polished to perfection. Extremely fast and smooth and never gets in the way.

Although I've stopped using workflowy several years ago. Don't really know why, just wanted to explore alternatives, never found anything better, so instead my notes are divided now between half a dozen online and offline applications (Google Keep, vimwiki, etc).

I'm really grateful to workflowy for popularizing the eponymous UX pattern -- mostly because it became part of how Roam works by default, with intuitive keyboard shortcuts, and it's absolutely f'ing great. It makes my life better on a daily basis and even tho I moved on from workflowy per se, I'll always feel grateful to you, jessep!

I am very interested in "workflowy offline" for Desktop. I'm unable to use Workflowy at work at all because it syncs everything to the cloud. Just an FYI.

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