Aka, it's a more expensive 2080 Ti, not a cheaper RTX Titan.
curious what is that?
An official firmware release could change this but they're likely saving it for the Titan cards down the road.
The Reddit AMA implies the Ampere architecture supports this configuration but is software limited under the FP32 section: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/ilhao8/nvidia_rtx_3...
To epistemologically correct, I don't believe one will ever see a statement from NVIDIA confirming that this is a software limitation. I believe it's just inferred.
edit: This is close to confirmation: https://imgur.com/a/RH8vyz9 -though I may suspect there are non reversible hardware fuses at play too.
I mean, I really hope that it's just in the driver so that an enterprising reverse engineer can hack the driver and re-enable full FP16/FP32 accumulate :)
TITAN X got access to pro drivers shortly after AMD announced the Vega Frontier Edition.
So maybe not 100% designed for ML, but better than anything else out there unless you want to sell a kidney.
Here’s a dirty secret: there is a ton of ML prototyping done on GeForce level cards, and not just by enthusiasts or at scrappy startups. You’ll find GeForce level cards used for ML development in workstations at Fortune 50 companies. NVIDIA would love everyone to be using A100s to do their ML work (and V100s before that,) but the market isn’t in sync with that wish. The 2080TI remains an incredibly popular card for ML even with only 11GB. Upping to 24GB, even with the artificial performance limitations for certain use-cases, enables new development opportunities and use-cases to explore.
When it comes to product stratification, the hard rule according to driver EULAs is that GeForce cards can’t be used in data centers. For serious ML development at scale, NVIDIA has their DGX lineup. In the middle are the Quadro cards, but they tend to be a poor value for ML. The cost differential with Quadro is largely due to optimizations and driver certification for use with tools like Catia or Creo (CAD/CAM use,) which don’t intersect with ML.
The Titan RTX may not have the gimped drivers, but the 3090 beats the Titan in many benchmarks nonetheless. Is the 3090 the best NVIDIA PCIe form factor card for ML? No. The A100 is still king of the crop and is the only Ampere card with HBM memory, and even the A6000 will outperform for many use-cases with 48GB of RAM. Still, the 3090 will be the optimal card for many.
I’m one of the lucky few to have a 3090 in my rig. I lead of team of volunteers doing critical AI prototyping and POC work in an industry give-back initiative, and price was not a leading factor in my decision to procure a 3090 over a Quadro. I chose the 3090 principally because I didn’t want a loud blower card in my computer (and I don’t need 48GB.) If someone donated an A100 to our efforts, I’d gladly take it, but it wouldn’t replace the 3090. It’s not a graphics card and it won’t play games, which indeed is an important value-added benefit of the 3090 :)
RTX Titan for example was not as good in FP64 calculation compared to RTX Quadro. While first Titan was good at both. Nvidia kept changing what Titan means in order to extract most amount of money without hurting Quadro sales.
Even at its peak certain things were software limited for Titan, but not for Quadro. Nvidia has tons of artificial limitations for each of their graphics card once you go beyond gaming.
I also expect been a kind of struggle between their consumer side who need some other reason to sell their top end GPUs beyond just the whales when game developers aren't really that interested in pushing out features that will require it given the niche ownership, while the datacenter people want to protect their Quadro margins. This to me seems their most likely reason for the on-again/off-again relationship with pushing their high end cards for compute usage vs gaming usage.
I'm saying the only reason Nvidia didn't call it a Titan was because they knew it wasn't going to have an unassailable advantage over AMD.
A Nvidia card is Titan if it has the name and the drivers, and not if it doesn't.
AdoredTV made an entire video[0] to demonstrate this is absolutely baseless conjecture that NVIDIA Marketing tricked people into inferring.
It absolutely destroys the Titan idea, leaving no room for doubt.