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Comment by nitinreddy88 | Hacker News Reader

Contribution to Postgres from Microsoft. We are in reality check.

This is an awesome thing. Would love to see more and more open source contributions from Microsoft.

Microsoft purchased CitusDB a while back, so you can expect many many contributions to Postgres to be from Microsoft now.

I'm deeply glad MS is contributing not controlling, given the declining state of MSSQL. Maybe it'll motivate them to pull their socks up over their own flagship product.

what is declining in MSSQL? last 3 years were an absolute gamechanger for my use cases: dockerized linux option for linux testing, very helpful columnstore improvements, the HA story is quite impressive, in fact there are only two major drawbacks that i can tell: no command line tool like pg_dump and the awe-inspiring price of the license (though i hear still less than oracle).

start here https://www.mssqltips.com/sqlservertip/3074/use-caution-with... Many are fixed but should never have been there. Some are still extant.

There's plenty more low grade shit in what was once a goof product.

I haven't used the features you discuss but then I need basic functionality to work. I've run into stupid performance bugs with trivial CTEs, and I found a link showing a CTE error which I could duplicate (pgres got it right, mssql didn't). Can't find link, sorry.

The cost, god the cost has got so much higher. I love SQL Server but am being forced off it, especially as you need enterprise to do queryable replicas etc.

there is a reason why MSSQL is called tedious in npm moudle.

Personally I'm not fond of Microsoft embracing anything I use.

That's a very unfortunate point of view to take, stuck in the mists of time. Wouldn't it be better to be forward-looking instead?

Embrace (GP) => Extend (looking forward) => Extinguish (We wanted the best, but it turned out like always)

I find it quite a mental leap to go from "Microsoft improved connection scalability in Postgres" to "Microsoft is going to extinguish Postgres, arguably the most popular open-source database in existence".

Times have changed, economic incentives have not. Linux, Postgres, et al will survive but have no doubt that Microsoft will try to extinguish them.

EEE is not some discredited strategy from Gates era Microsoft that magically vanished with a few executive changes, it is a fundamental defense mechanism of umbrella enterprises driven largely by a bunch of little decisions by self interested actors at all levels of the hierarchy. Gates' Microsoft helped give it a name with a catchy alliteration, but Nadella's Microsoft will define what that phrase means in the cloud era.

Maybe this will be more like Chrome than IE. Lightning fast and powerfully invasive

In general I don't think $enterprise hearting open source is a good thing in the long run. Even if there are accidental benefits, the incentives are just not aligned.

I also find Microsoft to be one of the most evil, invasive and user hostile tech company out there despite their recent PR deluge. My opinion is pretty much set in stone at this point but I welcome anyone to cheerlead them if they so wish.

Would love to hear more regarding Microsoft evil, invasive and user hostile. I've certainly consumed the last ~5 year PR propaganda, and am not aware of the bad stuff?

I fail to see how Windows is not the epitome of user abuse, granted I only occasionally have to use it nowadays so might be off. For starters migrating users to Windows 10 via dark UIs and even forced upgrades. Generally abusing the update channel and forcing updates users be damned. Enabling and re-enabling telemetry. Adding and re-adding Microsoft services people did not ask for. Ads in the Windows start menu. Intercepting installation of Firefox/Chrome.

In other news Microsoft just recently extended GitHub with certifications after embracing it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24855453

Personally I also dislike their sales tactics, at uni I had my fair share of Sponsored by MS classes, using .NET and Visual Studio.

Just search for Microsoft at the bottom of this page really.

Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

Fool me thrice, you might be Microsoft.

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