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> this has an impact on performance

And yet, I find that PHP apps tend to be quite performant, compared to say Java or Rails (I don't know about node, maybe not compared to node). But I'm not a PHP developer, this is just my impression. And the complaints you hear about PHP, I seldom hear performance. No?

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It varies considerably. If you write the kind of simple PHP pages which gave it that reputation, it's almost always going to be limited by I/O. If you use a framework which encourages enterprise-style apps with hundreds of includes and object hierarchies which would make a J2EE developer weep, even the opcode cache won't be enough to get back to that spot. I don't follow it enough to see if this passing away niw but there was definitely a sizable chunk of the community which really thought that Real Programmers™ didn't write simple code.

i did a simple test between PHP, Java, Elixir and Haskell for fun (with a full payload/page that represents my problem domain) - PHP was within +/-10ms of the others for the same payload/template process. Guess which one was the slowest?

if you do something in a naive way, PHP performance can tank pretty severe - but that's more down to the developer implementation rather than a shortcoming of the language itself

I fully agree, but I think this is an issue in most languages (not counting compiler optimizations)

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