If you bring in most people with previous programming or systems exposure, they hear "COBOL", and make jokes about "COOL COBOL" (COBOL Object Orientated Language). This somewhat includes myself.

If you bring in someone who is smart, pragmatic, and interested in a nice indoor job with good pay, they're more interested in the specialized job training and position that comes with it.

Someone I knew made the tongue in cheek retirement joke that "where else could I learn COBOL and mainframe in university, and never learn anything else until I retired?"