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Tesla to wide-release Full Self-Driving 'by the end of this year'

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Just for context what "Full Self-Driving" means:

> Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability are intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment. While these features are designed to become more capable over time, the currently enabled features do not make the vehicle autonomous. https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot

Basically it's a student driver. And you're the instructor.

So - at best - "Level 3"... not full automation (lvl 5) per the feds [i].

[i] https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicl...

It's funny how the article calls this a step towards robotaxis next year.

I finally got a chance to drive with autopilot for an extended period and student driver is an excellent description. It made some very poor driving choices, notably hanging out the blind spots of other drivers when there was tons of room to avoid that. It did a fine job of keeping he car in the lane, but it did not practice active defensive driving.

Well Tesla didn't say they selected for defensive drivers to train their software on. So maybe the software actually imitates poor choices seen in the training set.

Here is a tesla making a left turn at a traffic light - https://twitter.com/teslaownerssv/status/1319142259086913536...

As a motorbike rider, having Tesla's with "Full Self Driving" capability becoming common scares me.

Standard (human) car drivers are bad enough. Adding drivers that are less capable... ugh. :( :( :(

Hopefully the roll out turns out ok and I'm worrying unnecessarily. :)

afaik by the numbers you should actually be more scared of human drivers...

As I said, human drivers are already bad enough. ;)

My concern is adding something that may not even reliably recognise motorcycles.

For example, when a bike is leaning over in a turn, it looks substantially different to when it's 100% upright. And that's just one of the more common things to spring to mind.

Where are you driving where you get a substantial lean that's not a racetrack? I've not ever personally seen a motorbike that's at all leaned over.

Tesla already has recognized motorcycles for quite some time.

Literally any winding road in the mountains, of which we have quite a few around here. :)

Just to point out, (when above walking speed) motorcycles turn by leaning over. It's probably more that you've not noticed it. :)

Many cyclists are their own-worst-enemies (excess speed, weaving in/out traffic) and I suspect it will be a very, very long time before AI is going to be able handle them.

Yeah, similar suspicion.

Would be surprised if autopilot isn't already superior to humans at avoiding cyclists. This seems like mostly an attention problem, and humans are more susceptible to not noticing the cyclist in their blind spot going into a right turn.

Tesla’s with Autopilot on are very predictable on the freeway. They stay in the center of the lane, and signal when changing lanes. The worst part about them is they stay in the center of lane in traffic so it makes splitting lanes harder.

They may also be better. Humans can very easily be unaware of cyclists, whereas Teslas do have (a) no lapses in awareness, and (b) full view of what's around the vehicle.

Elon had made a similar promise while I was still working there (2017). I’ll believe it when i see it

How do people make very public statements that have no repercussions when they become lies? I'd love to learn.

Step 1: Be a rich CEO Step 2: see step 1

People have been slowly getting access to the FSD beta last night and this morning. You can see it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/jftx5l/all_fsd...

But that's still an L2 system, except that it's more capable. We can only guess whether this is 1 year or 20 years away from L3 or L4.

The Tesla self driving beta is between L3 and L4. I don’t know if it can pull over or not, but every other box is checked for L4.

I mean who cares if it requires a hand on the wheel at this point? The important thing is that Tesla is making progress toward L4, and with this update they are closer than ever.

Level 5 ???.

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