Show HN: I built a gamified forum to help hackers fund each other
hackerstash.com
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It brought out the worst in me to try to maximize "points" and it made me hostile towards people I feel threatened by (people rising in points towards me) and then it brings out an unhealthy zeal to accumulate more points until I burn out.
For gamification to actually provide benefits to game players, the game designers need to first be truly vested in improving aspects for the players of the game, not for meta goals outside the game. The second you see a process turned into some game/point system, ask yourself how that system could benefit the owner/designer of that system. Chances are, a meta goal exists and some sort of resource extraction from players exist (time, money, effort, knowledge, etc.).
If you understand a game very well and a weakness exists, it's possible for the players to extract winnings outside the game back to themselves but they need to understand the metagame and a weakness needs to exist that is realistically attainable. Game designers/owners are at an advantage because the game designers are often positioned to patch the rules of the game as weaknesses are discovered and exploited while the game players have no such power to adjust the rules.
In terms of benefits our end, all money from subscriptions goes straight into the prize pool and back out to the communities favourite projects each week. The main reward at the moment is the times when we genuinely see people helping one another. In the future if it can generate income for us that would be cool but we don't really know how that would even be possible - for now so the community comes first :)
Loved your breakdown of gamification motives, it's a really helpful perspective, thanks. If you have ideas for how something like HackerStash could offer the benefits of gamification without risking incentives that eventual lean in favour of the company itself that would be awesome!
When you've got good feedback loops in place and clear progress updates, being flashy without substance week after week just wouldn't work.
It's early days, but we do plan on adding features that allow people to better communicate their progress.
The sites UI is very slick.
For example, our first winner plans to spend their funds as such:
"I'll be able to pay for the CI/CD pipeline for the next billing cycle, this lets me route the amount planned for that cost into the referral program which will, hopefully, help the platform acquire more users."
Essentially by choosing this project as their winner, the community has enabled the startup to cover some of their core operational costs so they can experiment with a new marketing/sales channels. This is exactly what we were hoping HackerStash could do :)
At face value 'points' can lead to distorted incentives, but we're working hard to ensure that altruistic behaviour is most rewarded. Second to altruism is evidencing clear progress in your own project, with some big features coming in the next few weeks to support that. In fact I'd say the later is our current weakness but not for lack of attention, just we've decided we'll learn and iterate faster with more eyeballs on the product, users in the contest etc.
Thanks so much for the feedback, also glad to hear you like the UI!
Are you focusing on any specific kinds of companies at first? Ie. IndieHackers or ProductHunt type?
Also, do you plan to run any competitions or challenges from the platform side?
We have some basic weekly challenges right now that help boost your score to incentivise community feedback (these are only be visible to users). Adding competitions is not something I'd thought about, but it's a fantastic idea.
My research has led me to this and from what you've said, you might be in the "lottery" zone despite trying to be a "sweepstakes".
https://sterlingmiller2014.wordpress.com/2018/06/18/ten-thin...
Curious about what you're working on now, feel free to come join HackerStash and share your progress ;) haha
I am working with a partner to create something similar in a different vertical.
What is your tech stack? What payment processor are you using? Is everything automated, from payment to payout? I imagine as an MVP, some parts are manual. Love to hear more.