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Funny, I found myself asking this question recently too. Also, who made them.. I wish some of these industrial everyday products had the name of the designer attached. Found a video which has a nice nozzle teardown [1].

Another interesting thing is the story of self-fueling, an study in slow adoption. Apparently, the current state of affairs was reached by 1980s or so [2].

I remember driving from California to Oregon, getting to a gas station and trying to pump my own gas... the clerk almost jumped to my neck (in my memories at least :-p).

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3phjAQZdGg

2: https://www.convenience.org/Topics/Fuels/The-History-of-Self...

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"the clerk almost jumped to my neck"

Thanks for this, I'm always amused at how certain phrases and sayings get twisted-up a bit during translations between languages, but I'm sure you actually meant "jumped down my throat"...

haha indeed! thx for the tip

Don't know what's their native tongue but at least in Portuguese we have a saying that would translate literally to "jumped to my neck". I also love these language things :)

That "jumped to my neck" threw me for a loop! Once I saw you point out the proper idiom I was able to breathe easily again. I've tried to find the origin of this idiom, but I've come up dry as a bone.

It's strange, but I come across these idioms from other cultures back-to-back as I read stories on HN. That's most likely due to the blood, sweat, and tears people put into communicatng on here. Or, maybe language is a bone of contention, and the idioms are simply a breath of fresh air that grabs us by the nape. Whatever the cause, the languages differences sometimes chill me to the bone, maybe they even cause a gut feeling as they hit a raw nerve.

I suppose it's better to be up your ears in idioms, rather than waiting with bated breath.

Thanks for letting me go off on a tangent!

What it the idiom "threw me for loop" referring to?

Non native English speakers struggle to grok these sayings...

I've also heard it as "knock me for a loop", and I think it calls back to "feeling loopy" as a sort of "dizzy", so to throw/knock someone for a loop is to metaphorically hit them so hard as to make them dizzy or disoriented.

It doesn't refer to anything that I am aware, it simply has the connotation of "looping" back, much like "doing a double take".

Until now, I had been unaware of the earliest usage shown below, and I had always understood the boxing reference to be the origin. Live and Learn!

To be “thrown for a loop” or “knocked for a loop” refers to being bewildered, dazzled, disoriented and shocked by some event (“AT&T and T-Mobile were thrown for a loop last week when the Department of Justice sued to block AT&T’s planned acquisition of T-Mobile,” CNET, 9/5/11). The phrase first appeared in print in the 1920s, and comes from what the Oxford English Dictionary terms “a centrifugal railway,” but which is, no doubt, better known as a “roller coaster.” The “loop” on roller coaster runs is the point where the coaster arcs upward through a complete circle, leaving passengers upside down at its apex. The term was initially used in the literal roller coaster sense and then to describe aerobatic maneuvers by pilots “looping the loop,” and finally in boxing to mean a powerful punch that downed an opponent, before acquiring its modern “OMG!” usage.

http://www.word-detective.com/2012/04/knock-for-a-loop-knock...

https://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/15/messages/437.ht...

In Italian "saltare al collo" (literally "jump to the neck") can be used to mean a form of physical aggression (but normally used metaphorically) in English it would be more like "grab by the throat", I believe.

Viceversa to "grab by the throat" translates literally to "prendere per la gola" that actually means to "Tempt through food".

New Jersey still does not allow self-pumping and never did, by law. I think the idea is to preserve jobs.

Oregon doesn't either (except in certain rural areas at night and that just changed a year or two ago.

It's super annoying, unless it's raining or really cold out.

Is there an expectation to tip or is it included?

Not anymore.

It used to be commonplace to tip gas station attendants everywhere in the US back when boomers were growing up; full-service was the norm and the attendants would check your oil and clean your windows.

These days I arrange my fill-ups to avoid New Jersey. Last time I stopped there, I had to haggle with the guy to put the last 4 gallons in my 12-gallon tank, because the wonky fuel neck would trip the auto-shutoff prematurely and he thought it was done. I knew how much fuel I'd burned and I could look at the counter and know it wasn't done, but Professor Petroleum was having none of it.

I don't care what the idea is, it's annoying, insulting, and backwards.

Not a problem if you're on a motorcycle.

Me, from out of state: "I'd like to pump my own gas, please". In other words, I do not want some stranger accidentally dousing my bike with gas or scratching the tank.

Attendant: "You bet you are."

Nice to be in violent agreement sometimes :-)

Yup, they still do! If it wasn’t for my girlfriend (who is a Portland native) wouldn’t have been with me, I might have ended up with some bruises...

Enjoyed that youtube explanation (3 minutes, clear explanation). Just a comment to encourage later readers to follow the link, if they were on the brink of doing so.

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