Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election
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I want to applaud this, because it's clearly a good move. but i don't see how they can square "our recommendation engine is harmful enough that we need to disable it to protect the security of an election" with "we're gonna turn it back on in four weeks"
If I wanted to see that content I would follow it, and if I wasn't and the content was good someone I follow might retweet it. And if I follow someone who retweets annoying things I can disable retweets on that person.
If I wanted to "discover" or "explore" something, I'd open the dedicated section, thank you very much. Modern social media is ridiculously user-hostile.
"5G spreads the coronavirus"
"Measles vaccines cause autism"
"10 scientific proofs why the earth is flat"
I need this. Could you share please?
Does anyone do personalization well?
I worked on team that was trying to transition from recommendations to personalization (fashion retailer with ecommerce, think Macys Nordstrom etc).
Our imagined gold standard was the expert sales person, the personalized shopper. So somehow figure out how to make a digital sales person. Like StitchFix or Trunk Club. Curation at scale.
But I couldn't even figure out how to solve my own ultimate shopping challenge: recommend a quality white t-shirt that fits.
Though I doubt it, maybe StitchFix has cracked this nut. If they (or someone) has, we need to distill their magic and apply it more generally.
(I haven't tried Spotify or Apple Music. I've heard their personalization efforts are pretty good, so I'm semi-curious.)
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Oh, and a post script, while I'm chewing on this topic.
I have a theory why quality personalization isn't likely to become the norm. I can't yet imagine how it'd displace today's biz models. Targeted advertising has sucked up all the oxygen.
It's hard to articulate the difference between personalization and targeted advertising (recommenders). One of those torturous endless discussions our teams couldn't escape.
"Personalization" is needs fulfillment whereas targeting is attention stealing. Personalization is much harder to monetize, because it relies on conversions. Whereas with targeting, the money changes hands before hand and is easier to pretend it's working.
- Andrej Karpathy
- Jeremy Howard
- François Chollet
- Adam Paszke
- Thomas Kipf
- Sebastian Ruder
- Julia Evans
- Martin Kleppmann
This is my recurring issue when I see most "changes we're making for the election" posts. Sure this seems like a good step for this election.
Fake news and the destabilization it can bring isn't just an American phenomenon though. Are they going to apply these precautions to elections in Brazil, or Myanmar?
We'll improve our site for 28 days, but the other 47 months of the year we will, uh...
When presented with major societal issues some people are reasonable enough to trim it back until the crisis has subsided.
I think Twitter and Facebook’s coddling enablement of President Trump has been disgusting and both companies have morally bankrupt business models.
But in 2020, you no sooner can demand your neighbor not keep a lush green lawn than you can a social network not run an ad network.
At least this pattern of making the change when it is having its worst impact is better than no change at all.
"This makes us money but harms the world as a side effect, but if we harm it too much the retaliation will cost us money. As a result we're going to only use it as much as we think we can get away with."
"turning a big dial that says "Racism" on it and constantly looking back at the audience for approval like a contestant on the price is right"
Recommendation engines are neither inherently good or harmful -- think of them as an amplifier.
In normal times, they work pretty well -- it gives you more of the stuff you like, which usually isn't harmful. Just entertaining/fluff/interesting/whatever.
But closer to an election, they can be gamed and weaponized for harm -- Russia can activate botnets, fake accounts, etc. and lies spread like wildfire.
So it's not about whether the recommendation engine is good or bad -- it works. The point is that close to an election, bad actors weaponize it 1,000x more or more often than they do the rest of the time, so they're turning it off. When it's not being weaponized so much, they can keep it on.
It's like paying for a DDoS protection layer at times when you know your site is likely to be attacked, but not using it the rest of the time.
Clearly you understand the recommendation engine is being weaponised at all times.
So why are you also trying to defend it?
As others have pointed out, Twitters motivation is entirely composed of two motivating factors: financial and cover-your-arse.
But there's elections all the time. There's many different elections in the US alone, any many many more throughout the world.
And elections are just one thing, what about influence over opinions for bills/law/reforms? Wars? Public opinion about basically any subject, from economics to gender/race/class tensions?
If you accept that social media is weaponised for this election, it seems naive to not accept it is being weaponised absolutely all the time
It’s not that clear to me that this is a net good move. Exposure to out-network content, depending on what is exposed, could be good for preventing echo chambers and confirmation bias too. Twitter likely went the other direction and promoted out-network tweets that only increased engagement, and blaming the feature itself for this is naive at best.
Second issue everyone seems to be missing is the potential partisan-ness of these feature changes. Do the usage of any individual feature distribute equally among all demographics? If not, feature-shaping a near election could be construed as an underhanded way to hamper the discourse of certain demographics. Of course this is very easy to dismiss as conspiratorial thinking, but I think ideally any intellectually honest discourse engine would have gone the extra mile to demonstrate the neutrality of their election specific changes.
But aside from a national exit poll at 10pm, there are no real guesses.
It seems that different US elections predict who will win a given state far earlier in the process - before the votes are counted even the first time. Is that right?
My own global broadcaster takes its “calls” from ABC. I think that abc, nbc, cbs, Fox, cnn, New York Times and Washington post are probably good enough for “calling it”. I was working election night 2012 in our Washington office and was shocked how early the “Obama wins” straps went up -I have a photo at just 23:19 eastern from fox saying Obama was re-elected. That’s something like 4 hours before polls close in Alaska and Hawaii!
If 4 of those networks and papers have called it then it’s likely good. Sure there’s buzzfeed and whatever that may have enough professional staff on to really judge it, but it’s unlikely that 3 networks and a major paper are all going to call Dewy rather than Truman.
Yes.
At least in Dewey / Truman, they counted the votes and Truman won. Under the current system, Truman would be expected to concede gracefully after somebody predicted he would lose, removing the need to count the votes entirely.
To be clear, I am not saying this is necessarily the case, but not being in the know is problematic as far as health of democratic processes is concerned, especially when public discourse more and more depends on private enterprises. I don't want any fingers on the scale, because even if it might be favoring my side today a) that is not honorable b) there is no guarantee shoe won't be on the other foot tomorrow.
I don't know if a Twitter PM will read this, but showing Likes in my feed — and not having an option to turn it off in the official mobile app client — is one big reason I stopped consuming tweets.
It's a shame that the only way to opt out of seeing Likes is by using a third-party client.
The thing that irritates me the most is that they also seem to track the last time you logged in via the Twitter website or official client, and show me "while you were gone" tweets that it thinks I might be interested in. Typically, they're right - so right, in fact, that I've often already replied to them.
I've always said (until Twitter went full asshole, which they're now reversing course on) that I'd pay for a "Twitter Pro". Let me use a third-party client to do everything that the official client does, but with the option of turning things off - provide likes in my timeline, which my client can filter out; allow me to access polls via the API (which presumably they don't do for everyone because of botting), and so on.
Twitter, I will pay you monthly to stop making me choose between an incomplete experience (third-party clients) and an awful one (inflexible first-party clients). It's guaranteed income. Please, sign me up.
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Twitter is really working hard to force people away from using their app.
Please fight back against this appalling trend of word-wankery.
I have, however, stopped reading tweet after tweet via the home feed habitually. I think it's fair to say that I've been consuming them.
I don't think its that illogical to argue there's a time sensitive component. False news is the price you pay for breaking news sometimes. Its fine in the long run, but the argument is during an election the risk is too great.
It has nothing to do with 'breaking news' it's just people lying, which they will do all the time.
It's amusing that it took the election for them to finally admit this. I had thought much the same thing of Twitter's recommendations for a long time. People discussing divisive political issues shows up on my feed a lot, despite deliberate curation of who I follow, just because the people whose personal work I appreciate also happen to participate in political discussions in addition to posting their work, so the issues they "like" get posted on my feed. All of the posts they liked were from accounts I had no interest in following. Personally this change would cut down on the signal to noise ratio for me.
I am thinking they had to balance the improvement in their metrics for engagement they would gain by putting more novel out of network tweets in view, and the virtol and divisiveness the election-related media and misinformation propagating further would inevitably cause. Yes, there is not enough "sufficient, thoughtful consideration" put into the recommendations, but if they ultimately increase Twitter's user engagement and revenue then it takes a lot of effort to backtrack on them. It also makes me continue to believe that some kinds of information are detrimental in some ways, and Twitter is now controlling the flow of that information as to prevent public backlash or some other harm.
This is not remotely at all the role that Twitter or any other Silicon Valley tech company should play in society.
(European observer)
Regardless of their internal culture, Twitter will always have to make some political decisions.
Mostly one world leader. The rest of them seem to continue to primarily communicate through press conferences, television appearances and other fairly traditional methods.
That fact alone makes me believe this is a result of internal pressure.
In many cases, Twitter's rules have been used to suspend accounts that people thought they were supposed to protect. And Twitter has gone out of its way and contorted every rule in order to protect the President from censorship and suspension, out of "public interest", despite the fact that he has repeatedly violated the rules that would have caused anyone else to be suspended.
The worst part is that the people in these companies rarely have any experience with traditional religion, let alone extreme/fundamentalist religion, and therefore don't see the obvious patterns used by these extreme activists. I grew up as a dissenter in a fundamentalist Christian family, and the reactions I got when I stood my ground and said that I believed in evolution and a billions year-old earth are incredibly similar to what I see when trying to argue with these extreme activists. Also similar to my fundamentalist upbringing are the subgroup (minority) of people who obviously derive immense satisfaction from their piety, and won't hesitate to condemn others in the in-group for not demonstrating their full dedication to The Mission. These enforcers fit a personality profile that is identical to what I encounter at my overly woke workplace. Recently one of these enforcers told a guy (he was raised by Polish immigrants in a poor, inner-city neighborhood of Philadelphia) that he was wrong when he committed the horrible atrocity of celebrating the purchase of his first car, and saying how he "deserved it" after all these years. She was quick to spoil the happy hour at the outdoor bar by forcing him to acknowledge his privilege.
Edit: I mean, Sundar must be an opportunist rather than an ideologist, right?
Larry and Sergey: I assume very few people know what they actually think about the big issues.
Overall, the majority has been pro gay rights since around 2004. By 2017 it was 70% for, 24% against. Breaking down by party in 2017, Democrats were 83% for, Republicans 54% for.
Women 73% for, men 66% for. White 73%, Hispanic 70%, Black 63%.
81% postgrad, 77% college grad, 66% some college, 64% high school or less.
83% 18-29, 79% 30-49, 65% 50-64, 58% 65+. See [1].
When it comes to same sex marriage, by 2019 61% overall approved. That's been above 50% since 2013, and above the percentage opposed since 2011.
Republicans still aren't majority in favor, at 44%. Democrats are at 75%.
By religion, 79% of the unaffiliated are in favor, 66% of white mainline protestants, 61% of Catholics, 44% of Black protestants, and only 29% of white evangelical protestants.
66% of women, 57% of men. 62% of whites, 58% of Hispanics, and 51% of Blacks. 74% of Millennials, 58% Gen-X, 51% Boomers, and 45% of the Silent Generation. See [2].
[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2017/10/05/5-homosexual...
[2] https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-ga...
It's the quest for "engagement" and getting always more users and ad views that generates this situation. What can be used to sell you shoes and earphones can also be used to sell you political ideas. When the algorithm wants to show you some inflammatory and misleading political factoid because it knows that it's very likely to make you react, it's working as intended. Not because it was written by a communist, but because it was written by somebody optimizing for this metric.
As a counter example: do you think HN manages to remain mostly not completely trash because it's run by apolitical people or because it's effectively run not-for-profit? I think I know the answer to this question.
It's amusing how I've seen this "internal politic" boogeyman pop up in discussions over the past month or so. As if all the woes of the silicon valley could suddenly be blamed on those pesky "woke" devs while everybody else just tries to get the job done. This American election can't be over soon enough, everybody seems to be losing their marbles.
https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1310583298666696705
Edit: To clarify, he is saying the right way ahead for companies is to be apolitical, or, "mission-founded".
Coinbase offered employees not comfortable with the non-political mission-founded way exit packages:
Edit: but also good for China, and they're a lot better positioned to take advantage of this.
On the bright side social media is becoming so unbearable that we'll see more decentralization. It's hard to get banned from a forum when you run an instance of it yourself. And hard not to be when they are run by the mentally ill who think that saying crazy is a bannable offense for being ableist.
Second, if America eats itself, impact on Europe will be negative. There is little Europe has to gain on this and a lot to lose.
I'm not saying that an ultra-politicized workplace can't be an issue, I'm saying that it's silly to blame this particular problem on it. The very concept of ad-supported social networks is the issue, not the political alignment of the guy who writes the CSS.
Dang will kick you off HN for all sorts of reasons - that's his right, and it's generally not 'political'.
It's hard to ban 'fake news' without maybe getting possibly political, but it's not rocket science.
There are already all sorts of things on FB and Twitter that are censored, and it shouldn't be 'political'. If you say you want to murder someone, well, then that's a problem.
Now email that's different. If you want to be a moron over completely private network, or, you want to be a moron on your own website, then go ahead.
Brace yourself then, because this election will not end on November 3rd. And the craziness we see today will be nothing compared to whats coming next. Regardless of which side "wins".
It isn't possible to be completely "apolitical" but you can be non-partisan. For me this isn't a left vs right or Republican vs Democrat issue, its an establishment vs everyone else issue. If this policy was in effect in 2002 and 2003 people would be getting censored and banned for disputing "the fact" that Iraq had WMD. Just a few days ago NATO members blocked the former OPCW chief from giving testimony on the (very much disputed) narratives regarding the alleged chemical attacks in Syria. You can be sure the people being blocked and censored by Twitter won't be those pushing the official US government narrative. The argument Twitter is making that, "people are too dumb to figure out what is true, so we will tell them what is true" is very dangerous when Twitter doesn't have a monopoly on the truth, and is run by people with a vested interest and belief in "establishment" narratives - no matter how questionable (or provably false) those narratives are.
As a thought experiment: imagine if Twitter did the same thing as Coinbase did, got rid of all the politicized people. Problem solved? Of course not. The problem is that Twitter has this incredible influence. Asking them not to do anything is also not neutral and not a solution, you'll end up with 4chan or gab.
Take WhatsApp in Brazil. It's been instrumental to Bolsonaro's election due to the astroturfing and dissemination of fake news by pro-Bolsonaro supporters. Do you think it's due to Facebook's employee being pro-Bolsonaro? Or Facebook itself espousing a pro-Bolsonaro stance? Of course not.
It's really missing the forest for the trees IMO.
Literally nobody was buying that Iraq had WMD. It was clear that the politicians were riling themselves up in a patriotic furvor.
The evidence was weak from day one and it was clear a propaganda machine was in play.
> Twitter doesn't have a monopoly on the truth,
I am so sick of statements like this that ultimately lead to inaction and apathy.
SOME THINGS ARE JUST TRUE AND SOME ARE NOT. There is no "two sides" to them. There is objective truth and objective lies.
Bullshit isn't always, or even mostly, an outright lie. I'd go so far as to say that making shit up whole cloth is the rarest kind of deception.
You must be very young, because this is totally false. Both political parties, every network and every newspaper was not only uniform in their belief and assertion that Iraq had WMD, they ridiculed and attacked everyone who denied this falsehood.
>Israel, Russia, Britain, China, and even France held positions similar to that of the United States; France's President Jacques Chirac told Time magazine last February, "There is a problem—the probable possession of weapons of mass destruction by an uncontrollable country, Iraq. The international community is right ... in having decided Iraq should be disarmed." In sum, no one doubted that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/01/spies-l...
There should be no doubt that disputing the official narrative on Iraq WMD would have been censored by Twitter and other big tech companies that use establishment narrative as the only benchmark for truth.
>SOME THINGS ARE JUST TRUE AND SOME ARE NOT. There is no "two sides" to them. There is objective truth and objective lies.
And just who should decide what these things are, you? Twitter? The US government?
There was an incredibly harsh and damaging debate on this matter. Back then I was on the losing leftist side. We watched the Fox News broadcasts in horror.
Nowadays I find myself on the rightish side. Fox News is still insane though.
In my mind the current equivalent of the outsized influence of 2002/2003 Fox News programming is the political influence of employees of SV companies.
Somehow the common factor here is americans imposing their misinformed view of the world to the rest of the world with force, be it physical or cultural.
Maybe employees have power in Europe, but here in the United States employees have almost no power. Employment is at-will, and anyone who causes trouble for management is summarily fired.
Even management itself can be summarily fired by the board of directors of publicly owned corporations, like Twitter. Jack Dorsey is answerable to the stockholders, and also to the advertisers who generate Twitter's revenue. Not to the employees, who could all be eliminated and replaced if necessary. Jack too could be eliminated and replaced if necessary.
The only exception is Mark Zuckerberg, who set it up so that he has total voting control over Facebook and is untouchable by the stockholders. But that also means Zuck is untouchable by the employees.
The idea that SV corporations are run by the employees is a strange one.
This is literally false. As you said, "SOME THINGS ARE JUST TRUE AND SOME ARE NOT."
I didn't buy it myself, and there was certainly significant opposition to the Iraq invasion, but to say nobody was buying it is a huge exaggeration, unfortunately.
I am so sick to death of hearing this "argument." Because it's irrelevant to the situation. And I'll tell you why:
In the United States,
1. Private entities are not bound by the First Amendment. That means they can host (or refuse to do so) any speech they choose, because that's the First Amendment right of all individuals and private entities;
2. The US government is forbidden to be the arbiter of speech, except in a few, clearly defined areas (advocating the violent overthrow of the government, making credible threats of violence, etc.);
3. If you don't like decisions about speech that a particular individual or private entity makes, you are perfectly free to speak out against those decisions, organize others to do so, and/or vote with your feet/wallet and don't engage with that individual or entity;
4. Unless you have a management and/or ownership role in a private organization (e.g., Twitter), you don't have the right to change their policies or speech;
5. You absolutely have the right to speak out and say just about anything, but you don't have the right to force others to host that speech on their private property. And that's a very good thing. If that weren't the case, I would have the right to blare midget furry porn or all-goatse-all-the-time projections or all manner of other offensive, hateful, disgusting things in your living room.
I'm sure many will disagree with me. If you do, please engage me in discussion in addition to taking other action -- both of which (and thank you HN for making that possible) are your free expression.
You won't get any argument about that from me.
>That’s not the style of forum people should be defending. It’s legally permissible but all types of dystopian.
I'm not defending any such forums. In fact, I avoid them like the plague.
But I do support freedom of expression.
And whether you (or I, for that matter) dislike Twitter or Facebook, or even Stormfront or the ACLU, while we are perfectly free to express our dislike, expose dishonesty or bias, recommend/create other forums and encourage others to do the same, we aren't allowed to block the speech of others.
What would you suggest as a viable alternative to the status quo?
I think Justice Brandeis[0] said it much more succinctly than I did: "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the process of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_v._California#Quotes
This is what a lack of will to clamp down on misinformation, and lies from the President on their platform, out of fear of being of subsequently being politically repressed has resulted in.
Twitter is twisting and contorting itself in a million knots to avoid simply banning the president's account for the damage it is causing to society, the economy, and literally human life.
>Colonel : But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible.
>Rose : Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander...
>Colonel : All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate.
>Rose : It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution.
The writing has been on the wall about the dangers of social media for a very long time. It's just taken this long for people with the power to even consider doing anything about the dangers to start taking it seriously.
Dystopian futures aren't hard to predict. The hard part is getting enough people to listen to the predictions to prevent them from coming to fruition.
The ability of social media platforms to spread malicious propaganda intended to incite division is incredibly dangerous. The moment where a US president has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power should he lose the election is absolutely not the moment to test how well society can withstand the use of social media as a propaganda platform.
Society needs a long term solution for social media--my take is that it should be shut down completely--but this is a short-term emergency and now is not the time to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Being cautious is not a virtue when erring on the side of caution may lead to tanks in the streets.
No it’s not, this is propaganda. If Facebook/Twitter wanted to tomorrow they could limit stuff in your feed to people you know IRL. This would take less than 1 sprint for top tier engineers with the right access to implement and ship.
They’re only dangerous because the real problem is social media’s hypergrowth strategies are incompatible with policies that are good for society.
Any suggestion otherwise is like oil companies encouraging end users to recycle.
But most of the time people like getting content recommended. It's what consumers want.
Gigantic unmoderated platforms existing like this that promote random snippets of speech to drive user engagement and ad-revenue is a thing that shouldn't exist. The problem we still haven't solved is how to specifically kill off platforms of this type without killing forums and discussion boards in general. I think there is a distinction there but I'm not certain precisely what defines it - but if anyone figures it out please let us all know!
IMO the moment you start highlighting things that people didn't explicitly ask for, it's an endorsement.
Automated recommendations of a human-curated set of content - e.g. Netflix recommendations for its suite of programming - are much less objectionable, because they can't amplify anything the organization has not intentionally decided to present. It's the combination of UGC and ML recommendations that presents problems.
Do they, or do they just boost some KPI that suits proxy for actual utility?
Anecdotally even in non-tech circles most of my friends complain about how bad recommended content has gotten, or roll their eyes at whatever "personalized" ad for garbage they've been recommended.
Do consumers want it, or is it merely taking advantage of some more subconscious human behavior patterns. And if the latter, is this something that is bad for humankind?
A threshold that calls the First Amendment in the US into question.
For example foreign states that pays armies of internet trolls to in effect choose president in the US -- is that what the 1st amendment wants to happen
I think "information" can kill more people than cocaine, is more dangerous
Indeed, I mean exactly what I said: the questions you raise call the First Amendment into question.
You're saying that maybe the 1st amendment could be edited a bit so that it was more clear that such things aren't okay?
I'm thinking people interpret "free speech" in sometimes quite different ways
The appropriate situation for those that want cocaine is something similar to the rules around purchasing/possessing/using alcohol.
From an economic standpoint (increased tax revenue, reduced spending on "enforcement" and incarceration, increased economic output because fewer people are in prison, etc.) and a societal standpoint (more resources available to the 2-5% of folks who end up with dependency problems, reduced property crime, not harming communities with significant numbers of residents being pulled out of the community and incarcerated, etc.)
As such, there's no good reason for any mind altering substances to be illegal. Rather, they should be regulated and taxed appropriately.
The only reason people keep using services like Twitter is because their network keeps them there.
Yes, people say they don't want recommendations, because 95% of them are irrelevant.
But then the 5% (or 2% or 0.5%) turn out to be super-relevant, and they find new people to follow that they love, and learn about things they love, and the experience in the end turns out to be a net positive.
Their actions show that it's valuable in the end. Otherwise the feature wouldn't exist at all. Recommendations aren't advertisements, sites don't make money off them -- sites use them because people genuinely find things that lead them to use the sites more.
People aren't stupid if you don't build your UI/UX around the assumption that they are. They also like transparent, understandable algorithms. Chronological feed of (only) the people one follows is as transparent as it gets. A chronological feed with some recommendations mixed in is more opaque and confusing. An algorithmic feed is an epitome of opaqueness. Opaqueness naturally drives users away because it doesn't exactly instill confidence that their posts will reach their followers.
Another example: do you understand what the "see less often" button in Twitter does? No one does. No one likes cryptic algorithmic bullshit forced on them with no way to disable it.
Choice is very important.
> versus what they actually do.
Do manipulations work? Of course they do. Are people happy when they are manipulated? Of course they are not.
> Recommendations aren't advertisements, sites don't make money off them
They absolutely do. Recommendations aren't there because Twitter wants to be helpful — they'd be more user-respecting as I said above if that was the case. They're there because they drive engagement metrics up, and those in turn translate into someone's KPI.
No that's an apolitical choice.
The political choice was not doing this in 2012 when it was Obama benefiting from it.
In particular, I appreciate:
"10/2019 - Banned all political ads on Twitter, including ads from state-controlled media"
I hope Facebook employees are taking notes.
I'm also a huge fan of:
"...we will label Tweets that falsely claim a win for any candidate and will remove Tweets that encourage violence or call for people to interfere with election results or the smooth operation of polling places."
Does anyone know whether the next one is official US policy, or whether it's just Twitter's policy?
"To determine the results of an election in the US, we require either an announcement from state election officials, or a public projection from at least two authoritative, national news outlets that make independent election calls."
Mail-in ballots can arrive at the voting office as late as November 20th this year (depending on your state.. you still have to mail your ballot out by November 3rd, though) [0]. With so many people voting by mail this year, we might not know the election results until November 20th. I hope that election officials (and Twitter officials) will take that into account.
[0] https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voter-registration/vote-mai...
To pretend that they have some "democracy breaking" power in their platform of the loudest 1% of individuals that actually contribute and that this needs to be tamed with special rules to protect the integrity of elections seems like an absurd fantasy.
Either they're right and their platform can be a tool used for evil in general, in which case, why limit these rules purely to one particular federal election? Or they're wrong, and this really is just some bizarre internal marketing effort.
As a result of this, Twitter's changes won't have much effect. It still all depends on whether journalists are reporting tweets to the public, and which tweets. Even if tweets get censored by Twitter, ironically that in itself becomes "newsworthy", and journalists spread the censored tweets.
Politicians love Twitter because it allows them to say whatever they want, without having pesky reporters ask them unpleasant questions. And the reporters nonetheless report these unfiltered messages (often lies) to the public. It's basically free press, free advertising. A politician doesn't have to be invited onto a news program, they can just make "news" whenever they want, in convenient soundbites.
The ultimate danger of Twitter to society is that journalists can't resist the temptation of reporting tweets as news. Of course this is a failing of journalists, not Twitter, but Twitter is giving these people a global public unfiltered platform they wouldn't otherwise have.
it's about a tweet.
That's all Twitter sells is ads. You can't purchase any other service from them. The only purpose of the social platform is for there to be people to serve ads to. That's not a product, that's a marketing strategy.
So why shouldn't they have a moral responsibility to curb the use of their platform to do societal harm through the dissemination of misinformation? They don't exist to provide an uncensored social platform, they exist to generate profit through advertising. If their practices do harm they should answer for it.
Has Twitter actually read Twitter?
What evidence do you have that the predominant source of trending information is motivated state-level actors? That is an incredibly bold statement, and the framing you chose is such that there needs to evidence to the contrary, rather than evidence to support such a claim.
Edit: A bunch of responses are mistakenly thinking I am denying the presence of Twitter bots created and operated by state actors. I'm not. I'm arguing with the incredibly bold statement that they are the PREDOMINANT SOURCE of trending information.
I didn't make that post. But the fact that state level actors have manipulated Twitter topics with bots, astroturfing, and other artificial means is pretty well established. I'm not sure I'd agree it's the "Predominant" source of trending information, that there has been state-level influence from foreign actors has been well documented.
Yet I was downvoted for simply trying to reign in the completely overblown nature of these statements. These assertions since 2016 have been repeatedly made with partial and/or zero evidence.
There is still zero evidence that the manipulation of social media by Russian assets in 2016 actually affected the votes of the American public. As far as I can tell, the blue collar whites in the Rust Belt don't exactly have a large presence on social media, let alone any record of statements saying they are changing their vote because of an advertisement. This is all just playing into the hands of the DNC, who for two successive elections have manipulated the Democratic primary to kill Bernie Sanders, and immediately resort to "the lesser of two evils" mode to bamboozle his supporters into supporting their oppressors.
You could have easily pointed this out above without being so argumentative. If you are so concerned about downvotes, perhaps you should avoid being so confrontational.
I can give lots of examples of googling that gets you to conspiracy sites, but I am not sure how those examples would prove anything...
That's part of the problem. You are assuming that everyone who doesn't live in a small town or rural area believes that those who do are bad, evil or wrong.
Well I'm here to tell you that you're mistaken. The vast majority of my fellow Americans (regardless of where they live) are decent people who just want to have a country that respects the rule of law, provides equality under those laws and gives everyone a fair shake to succeed.
There is a very small group that doesn't want that. And they seem to have successfully pitted us against each other, rural vs. urban, white vs. black, young vs. old, etc., etc., etc.
But those are false divisions. Sure, we disagree about a bunch of things. But the vast majority of us agree about much more than we disagree.
So please, don't just paint everyone that's different (in this case, the population density of their residence) with such a broad brush.
I was born and live in the largest city in the US. I've also traveled all over this country, and lived in cities, suburbs and small towns. What I've seen in my more than half-century of living, is that we mostly want the same things.
The problem is that we're not getting them! But it's not the city dweller or the rural resident that's keeping us from doing so.
We could make this country a good place for just about all of us if we stop hurling insults at one another and work together to make our government work for us.
Because, in the end, the government is us. That we allow ourselves to be divided, keeps us from working together to create the change we all want.
If we do that, and build bridges of communication to do so, we're in a much better position to communicate and compromise about the stuff we disagree upon.
I don't care where you live or what you look like. Americans are my brothers and sisters, and I want you to have the life you want to live. And I want to have the life I want to live.
Let's not let those who don't want that keep us from getting it.
Of course, lacking a one person one vote principle, the 50% cutoff for electoral counts may look very different. Nie mój cyrk, nie moje malpy.
Na desh komante mi; na desh pagal mi.
Depriving someone the privilege of a world-casting megaphone is a totally different category of concern.
>Second, we will prevent “liked by” and “followed by” recommendations from people you don’t follow from showing up in your timeline and won’t send notifications for these Tweets.
These are great, I wish we could have these policies all the time, not just election season. This would probably harm engagement metrics (since retweeting without commentary is low-effort) but increase the quality of the feed by reducing noise and increasing context of tweets.
2. The 'context' they put in the 'Trending' section is often highly editorialized and skewed. An example from yesterday:
> Celebrities · Trending
> Mel Gibson
> People are expressing disappointment that Mel Gibson has been cast in a new film.
> 18.2K Tweets
Mountain out of a molehill, selectively chosen, click-bait editorializing ('people are expressing') - none of this is helpful, and doubling down on it as the only content to put in that pane seems quite foolish.
The "slippery slope" should definitely be on everyone's mind as this enforcement is rolled out, but it should not stop the enforcement. Otherwise your statement becomes the "if we can't fix everything we should fix nothing" fallacy.
I agree that the enforcement needs to be monitored, and also that the enforcement needs to be done. Not mutually-exclusive. There are absolutely agreed-upon lies today: there isn't a deep state of vampire child rapists running the country. Fight me. ;-)
There is a consistent penchant among normal, biased 'fact-checkers' to call sympathetic views 'mostly true' in the face of glaring falsehoods, and antagonistic views 'mostly false' in the presence of any minor nitpick; nothing unusual as far as bias goes, but expecting these orgs to play governance roles is clearly unsuitable.
Can you explain what you mean by this? Because that's literally what they (twitter) have been trying to do for the past 4 years: toeing the line between censorship and handling an administration that delivers a constant stream of demonstrable and egregious lies.
Also Epstein killed himself and had no links to anyone in power. Even if he did they were only Republicans and even if they weren't they were.
Indeed, that is the meaning of the word.
This has never been obvious to me, and I continue to be confused by it as a position. It seems similar to "don't respond to anyone making blatantly false/harmful claims on discussion forums, because engaging with them just encourages them and spreads their message". In fact, in the Twitter case, it's even _more_ nonsensical to me - because the audience in a forum is general (and so, is likely to contain folks who are "on the fence" or who agree with the troll), but your Twitter followers are, by definition, those who hold similar opinions to you (and so, are likely to agree with your "takedown").
I'm not saying that you're wrong (I've seen enough apparently-smart people espousing this opinion to convince me that I'm the one missing something), I'm saying that I don't understand it. Can you help me understand what I'm missing?
> Results indicate that corrections frequently fail to reduce misperceptions among the targeted ideological group. We also document several instances of a “backfire effect” in which corrections actually increase misperceptions among the group in question
I mean, it's definitely better than nothing, but it's not a "we're fixing our business model" moment.
I think about my uncle or cousin who has been posting fake news since before it was a phrase, and how they'll react. It's probably not gonna be a positive reaction.
(Facebook, not Twitter)
If you are sailing on a boat made of ice through (salt) water that is 3 degrees below freezing, then a "small" change of 3 degrees absolutely could be the difference between normalcy and catastrophe.
Of course that's an extreme example, but presumably Climate Feedback wanted the video to acknowledge that the climate is a non-linear system, with feedback loops and potential phase transitions.
It seems absolutely possible that a change in temperature outside of the range that forests are historically used to could cause dramatically different outcomes for those forests.
So either Climate Feedback rejected it on their own, but lied about why (or had a bureaucratic error), or two reviewers told them it was problematic and then lied about doing so (or both forgot that they had done so).
Outsourcing checking for disinformation to people who lie and/or have bureaucratic errors is going to have issues, even if those people are omniscient as to the facts of the subject matter... but nobody actually is that, either.
It is clear as day that the views of the CEO and the Twitter platform has influenced the policies and biases against certain groups and enforced bans or shadow-bans on certain users and flags tweets from certain users.
If they themselves are compromised or are part of a scandal, they will ban anyone else from spreading this information to try covering it up.
[0] https://thehill.com/policy/technology/402495-twitter-ceo-jac...
If you have evidence of the contrary please post it and I'll be happy to change my comment.
There's nothing wrong with taking a side between truth and lies. Even their example tweet should be clearly labeled as wrong, not "disputed". There is no serious dispute, only bad-faith political attacks against the democratic process.
One of its biggest issues is troll armies — this would quickly vanish if we could filter by whether someone had validated who they were and where they were located.
If Bumble can do it, Twitter can.
If US banks and credit card agencies can't do it properly, why can Twitter?
1: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-early-vote/m...
Feels backwards to go back to news outlet now that information flows the reverse.
The solution is NOT to do censorship based on truth. The entire system needs to be unreliable, because it is unreliable. People need to read things on twitter (and elsewhere on the internet) with skepticism, and they need to evaluate wether those things are true or false individually.
It's sort of like the Godel incompleteness theorem of social networking: you can either be incomplete or inconsistent; any system which tries to be perfectly consistent will find itself excluding massive amounts of potential dialogue. This in turn will result in a user exodus.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Look at how quickly something like BitTorrent was adopted back in the day.... it's an esoteric and difficult to understand thing under the surface, until clients and sites came along that made it super simple.
Maybe Urbit will evolve into this, maybe Mastodon, we'll see.
Ideally twitter shouldn't really be able to spread "misinformation" because people shouldn't be using it as a source of information to begin with. These moves they have been making around fact checking, censoring things etc, make this problem worse. They're trying to increase people's trust in twitter, which they shouldn't be doing, they should be actively trying to do the opposite, and they will fail to remove all of the misinformation.
So the result will be that people will still see misinformation, but they'll trust it more. It's the exact opposite.
I keep thinking back to the freedom of speech circuit Christopher Hitchens did and some of the great speeches on the topic he gave, some of which are him broadly denouncing the ability, want or acceptance of any person or group of persons to be the one who decides what you can and cannot read and/or say. I wonder where the voices of whoever holds those intellectual reins these days is, because I'm not hearing it.
Wish somebody a happy birthday. Wait till tomorrow for Twitter's employees or crowdsourcing to verify it. And it only gets verified if that information is actually available to them.
What is one to do in an environment where a ridiculous number of people believe that the president is fighting a secret pedophile sex ring? It certainly doesn't seem to be a problem the free market of ideas is addressing successfully.
If this doesn't work, they can remove the button entirely during sensitive times (like elections).
And charge $5 for verification every year and verify everyone who wants to get verified.
After a short adjustment period, there would just be no non-verified accounts anymore and 5$/year would just be the regular price to use Twitter.
Will they really just tag his claims with a "this is misleading?" Or will they take the approach that is most certain to preserve order, and ban the President?
This is not a drill. This is a question that Twitter will be confronted with this once, and never again. No new policy need be created. If principles are compromised in doing this, it is a one-off.
Putting aside debates about cancel culture and ideological bias, Twitter already censors various kinds of uncontroversially harmful speech, and the President's claim--to the small but not insignificant segment of his supporters who are angry, credulous, and well-armed--that the election was stolen will surely qualify as such a statement.
How can such a thing possibly exist? Speech is only harmful when people disagree about it, which makes it necessarily controversial.
My personal take is that Twitter is mostly a big soapbox of fringe groups, mostly left, and half of that are bots. It's just a bunch of people screaming over each other and posting reaction GIFs, I don't see how any adult can find it engaging.
Sure you can say they could have had similar measures before the Kyrgyzstan or the Belarus elections. But there bad actors were perfectly able to undermine the democracy without the aid of social media.
Maybe the Democrats and the people who are called "liberals" don't realise it just yet, but they've lost the game because they've started playing Trump's game. Like I said, they might technically win it this time around, but the next "Trump" will probably be younger and even more charismatic, and he (or maybe a she, why not?) will have to conquer a public scene which will have already known by that point that the democracy rules don't exist for either party, so why care for the democratic process anymore?
If it matters I'm not from the US, have never set foot there, just saying how I see things from half a world away.
Social media is used for personal and political gain throughout the world. You could argue (and I wouldn’t disagree) that brexit happened because bad actors used social media to undermine democracy in the UK. However the UK is still democratic (at least to the same extent that it ever was). The same can not be said if Trump uses social media to declear him self a winner in a partially tallied election.
I think the nearest international example if the current (very likely) US situation is the Venezuela presidential election of 2018, where Juan Guaidó declared him self the president even though Nicolás Maduro won the election. But even then social media wasn’t the medium of choice to go about it (international leaders were; albeit international leaders that used social media).
Can people in the big cities not accept people in rural areas reject everything they think is good? It's not a foreign plot, it's a fundamental disagreement about values.
As social media gets larger and larger, these companies need to (1) at least pretend to be impartial and (2) show they are doing something about the "problem", or else the loser will blame big tech and slap them with regulation. Trump hasn't even lost and he's already talking about repealing Section 230, and Facebook (I think rightfully) is getting a lot of attention that could lead them to get broken up.
No one wants a target on their back when some research firm uncovers that "bad guy X" spent a couple million dollars astroturfing and/or abusing the platform or skirting election advertising regulation. It doesn't matter if that bad guy is Russia or some American Super PAC
Their response to climate science is stubborn ignorance. Their response to different cultures, races and religion is bigotry. Their response to democracy (when it doesn't suit them) is reactionary. Their response to education is closed mindedness. There's nothing to respect here.
Rural people are happy to have iPhones, as long as they don't need to understand the science behind the technology, understand the multicultural aspects of it's existence or respect the people who created it.
As Asimov said 40 years ago:
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
Said the guy who probably doesn't even know how to thresh his own soybeans.
Just like designing an algorithm for efficient mobile phone battery utilization while handing off wireless connections in a moving car.
They're totally equivalent. Really!
On one hand, I agree that businesses should be free to operate as they like & you can vote with your feet if you don't like the rules. However, we also have to be realistic about the fact that the largest tech corporations are now more powerful than most countries. Opting out isn't a very practical solution.
I think this is fundamentally the problem, and not free speech. Sites like Twitter and Facebook are of unprecedented historical size. Nobody really worried about whether some little discussion forum allows free speech or censors itself. But Twitter and Facebook want to become "the world's discussion forum", and I'm not sure that's even a thing that should exist. You can't really have free speech if there's only a small number of platforms for speech.
What about it? People get banned from Twitter all the time - literally every hosted platform and service moderates and bans content as they see fit. The terms of service you agreed to when using that platform likely includes phrases like "for any reason" and "in perpetuity throughout the universe."
So I guess I make another account? Or go somewhere else? That's not exactly the boot of fascism stomping on your face forever.
>However, we also have to be realistic about the fact that the largest tech corporations are now more powerful than most countries.
No they aren't. Countries have armies and the monopoly on violence. Countries can arrest you, torture you, confiscate your possessions, make your beliefs illegal, and murder you. The only thing Twitter can possibly do to me is delete my account or ban me. They only control their one platform, they don't control the internet or the entirety of media. They're not going to send me to the gulag or throw me into the ovens. They're not going to erase me like Stalin.
To say that any social media platform is more powerful than most countries is ridiculous.
Alright. Let's say that all of the major social media platforms ban any discussion of raising their taxes, or enacting more regulation on them, or let's say they straight up ban major politicians from the platform.
Oh, and also there is no other significant competitor that matters, and it is unlikely that any competitors will pop up anytime soon.
Are you just OK with that? You are just going to say "well, I guess it is their platform, and they can do what they want, and it doesn't matter that no competitor has any significant chance of being successful".
> They only control their one platform, they don't control the internet
Ok, now what is almost all of the major platforms do it, and there are no serious competitors?
Let's expand this out even further. What if Walmart did the same thing? Along with multiple other grocery stores.
You want to raise their taxes, well sorry, you probably aren't going to be able to buy food from any major grocery store.
Or how about if common carrier laws were removed and your power company did it? Or the water company, now that this is legal?
Your passive acceptance of this type of being can be extrapolated out to horrifying results.
Unless we're talking about a situation where a government controls the internet and makes it illegal for anyone but those social media sites to set up a server or host content, then that might create an immediate market demand for alternatives and those alternatives would appear, although alternatives would very likely already exist.
>Oh, and also there is no other significant competitor that matters, and it is unlikely that any competitors will pop up anytime soon.
You keep piling on qualifiers like "significant" and "serious" yet before social media silos it was entirely possible to reach millions of people and go viral with hosted forums and personal webpages. Hacker News alone gets a ton of traffic and it's hardly mainstream. What will happen is that the web will adapt as it always has.
It's not as big a problem as you make it out to be. Don't confuse the size of these sites' userbases with proportional degree of control over anything outside of their domain.
>Ok, now what is almost all of the major platforms do it, and there are no serious competitors?
>Let's expand this out even further. What if Walmart did the same thing? Along with multiple other grocery stores.
>You want to raise their taxes, well sorry, you probably aren't going to be able to buy food from any major grocery store.
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>Your passive acceptance of this type of being can be extrapolated out to horrifying results.
Everything can be extrapolated out to horrifying results if you try hard enough and care little enough about reality. But your scenario in which every social media site (including those hosted in other countries,) and every businesses and government utilities and services conspire to control all forms of communication and deprive people of basic services as a means of oppression is so far removed from any conceivable reality that I have to question whether you're commenting in good faith. Otherwise, you're doing a good job of making my point for me.
They don't even have to all conspire together. Instead, merely one of these companies doing it, alone, could have a huge effect.
For example, a power company, or water company doing this, all on its own, not conspiring with anyone at all, would be very bad for society, if it were legal (fortunately, it is not legal for a power company to do that).
This is because it would be extremely expensive, and difficult to get another power line, or water pipe, to your house. There are huge barriers to entry.
If only a singular power company did this (after the law was changed), if would be very difficult for any of their customers to resist such changes. They'd have to take extreme actions, such as moving, or paying for whole new pipes to be dug in the ground to their house.
It works for me.
I don't use Twitter (or Facebook for that matter) and I don't lose anything by not doing so.
and so, why do you believe that? I'm not being combative or snarky here. I honestly don't understand why not using Twitter isn't "practical."
There's never a situation where you let people say whatever they want, whenever they want without any moderation at all and everything goes well. You have to set some of sort of standard. We already do this as a society, so why shouldn't that extend to Twitter?
Twitter has 330 million monthly active users and 145 million daily active users. Is that a community? It seems more like an unruly mob. :-)
I agree with the point that all online forums should have moderation, but for me the question is, should something like Twitter even exist? A centralized world discussion forum is not necessarily a good and healthy thing. Can humanity handle having Twitter?
Even if the answer is no, pandora's box is opened. If twitter disappeared, 5 copycat sites/apps would emerge from the ashes overnight.
5 is not necessarily a problem. 1 is a problem. :-)
It's not easy to reach "critical mass" though. Many social networks have tried and failed. Certainly the Twitter alternatives (e.g., App Dot Net) tried and failed. And hopefully we've all learned some lessons from Twitter and won't make the same mistakes again.
Or if we did make the same mistakes again, then humanity is truly doomed, and there's nothing we can do to stop it...
Twitter is absolutely a community, it's just buckling under the weight of its scale. The problem we're facing right now, to me, is that Twitter and Facebook have built communities that they are incapable of moderating effectively because of their scale, but they ask us to give them time to manage this difficult problem and we give it to them, absorbing more damage while they make billions. How much time do they need? They've all been around for over a decade. It's time to start demanding results.
These platforms aren't required to exist. If they can't prevent their services from causing damage to societies across the world, then they should be required to fix that. If they can't fix it, then they should be shut down.
I think the hard part is doing this in the face of money. We have all seen how platforms allow awful things to exist because of the economic incentives to do so.
Rather then evolving along with the needs of their users, Twitter froze it's functionality years ago. Twitter could have added a range of moderation tools, allow users to opt-out from re-tweets, trends and such, allowed people to create groups and communities, foster active cooperation with key users and it's communities,...
Why didn't that happen? Because those hundreds of millions of users aren't paying customers. Investing in all of those things simply isn't worth the investment or pressing enough in terms of optimizing for revenue through advertising and business intelligence.
An audience is a valuable commodity, and so what Twitter doesn't want is risk losing that commodity. Tweaking the functionality of the platform is such a risk.
However, hosting hundreds of millions of people who aren't customers, is also a huge liability. Worst case is having governments representing those poeple imposing hard regulatory frameworks that hurt revenue and profitability.
In a way, it's akin to the lions of the circus. People pay good money to see the lions perfom, but the circus has to accept the risks that come with keeping lions. Which includes getting shut down because the lions escaped and went to town.
So, why does Twitter cater to hundreds of millions of people, and why does the circus keep lions? Because the profits they gain from doing so outmatch the risks they have to accept.
Getting back to your original question, Twitter is basically Humanity's stream of consciousness materialized. It's prohibitively expensive, and rather utopian, to be able to moderate that in a meaningful way which caters to everyone's contentment. By contrast, Twitter's aspiration isn't to provide the best moderation, it's to implement just the bare minimum in order to not lose it's value.
Looking back at the blogpost, you'll find that most of what they propose is tweaks to how they filter content and a small tweak to how you do re-tweeting based on existing functionality. No fundamental changes to the feature set are put into place. On the scale of Twitter's operation, that's mainly targetting low hanging fruit since introducing more substantial changes would be a huge gamble that might end up hurting the business.
What? There are tons of places where the only restrictions on what you say, is determined by the law.
> You have to set some of sort of standard
The standard could be "Whatever is allowed by US law", which is extremely non restrictive on speech.
> What? There are tons of places where the only restrictions on what you say, is determined by the law.
So there are still restrictions then and people can't say whatever they want?
> The standard could be "Whatever is allowed by US law", which is extremely non restrictive on speech.
voat.co is a clone of reddit where the only difference is no restriction on speech. The top posts are usually extremely racist and antisemitic. It is a horrible horrible platform and the only change is no restriction on speech.
The amount of speech that is allowed by US law is so extremely broad that those restrictions may as well not exist.
IE, lets say someone were to argue "I think it is totally OK for the government to arrest and execute people who disagree with the government in any way!", and then backed up this belief by saying "Well, you support restrictions on free speech as well! You don't think that people should be able to send mass death threats to everyone, 100 times a day! Therefore, since you support restrictions on free speech, it is totally OK to arrest anyone who disagrees with the government in any way!"
This is the argument that you are making. And it is a bad one.
The reason why it is bad, is because the restrictions on speech, in the US are almost non-existent, and that is not a good justification to do other things that are much more restrictive, such as in my extreme example of arresting anyone who disagrees with the government.
But the point is that the fact that they are so extremely small and minimal restrictions on speech in the US, is not a good excuse to justify much larger restrictions.
If the existing restrictions of US law are so minimal, it makes no sense to bring it up, as any sort of justification for much larger restrictions.
It is just not relevant to anything, to mention that, because those restrictions are small, and are therefore not related to much larger restrictions.
That would result in 90% of user generated content being spam. There's no law against me sending you 10 spam DMs a day on Twitter. Is that really what you want?
Giving people the choice of whether they want to accept moderation or not, seems reasonable.
For example, if twitter allowed everything that is allowed by law, but also gave people control over content that they see, then that seems fine.
There is a fundamantal difference between disallowing something, and giving a user the option of not seeing certain content.
IE, I do not believe that the block feature is censorship, for example.
> Is that really what you want?
I'd want to have the option to control the content that I see, as opposed to twitter forcing its own decision. I don't see a problem with someone choosing to allow spam to themselves, if they are OK with that.
We don't do this in the US, it's called the 1st amendment.
I see many "it's just moderation" takes on what Twitter is doing, but what Twitter and other platforms are now doing goes beyond what most platforms have traditionally enforced in their moderation. Hiding user content that the platform unilaterally perceives to be untruthful is really a new milestone.
Twitter has guidelines rules for things you can and can't say but since the users don't all agree to the same guidelines, and Twitter enforces them very inconsistently, there's no pressure to follow them except to the point you may get suspended or banned from the site.
Twitter does. On Twitter. That's practically a tautology.
Is your point that you didn't know the answer, or that we should descend into anarchy because attempting to answer difficult questions is tricky?
Both sides think Twitter is biased against them. The only reason you think it's biased is because of the same tribalism that you're baselessly accusing them of.
It's blatantly obvious that Twitter can never stray far from the middle because it would lose them one half or the other of their audience and business.
You believe that and I respect your beliefs. I don't use Twitter, so I'm not really in a position to agree or disagree with you.
That said, so what? The shareholders of Twitter own the company. If the company is doing what the shareholders want (within the strictures of the law), then so be it.
Free speech cuts both ways. I can say just about anything I want. But Twitter or Facebook or HN, for that matter, is under no obligation to host my speech.
The only entities that are forbidden from censoring by the First Amendment are the Federal government,(and through the 14th Amendment) as well as state and local governments.
So if Twitter censors (or doesn't censor) content that you think shouldn't (or should) be censored, you are free to argue for your point of view and encourage others to do the same.
And Twitter can do the same.
Even if (and I take no position one way or another) Twitter is biased and acts upon those biases, so what? That's their right under the First Amendment.
It's messy, and it pisses people off, but there's no provision in the First Amendment that speech must be orderly or inoffensive.
They are obviously referring to the principle in this case. But maybe you don't understand what that means.
The tech companies have a clear liberal bias, despite what the media wants you to believe. Tech savvy people tend to be more liberal, and tend to spend more time on social media, so you have a bubble of opinions that drown out the other noise (which already gets downvoted to the bottom, shadowbanned, or censored anyway), resulting in the faux appearance of a consensus that there isn't a real problem here. Anyone with enough influence to have this opinion really noticed in the mainstream media, will be discounted as a "conspiracy theorist".
Making a business model like that illegal would force these services to go the paid route, or have less a subversive, and alas, less effective, advertising.
"People on Twitter, including candidates for office, may not claim an election win before it is authoritatively called"
b) When people spread false information at scale, it risks the very foundations of civilization.
Anyone with an actively managed platform has to try to ensure some kind of intelligent fealty - the trick is to do it without bias or and kind of ideological orientation.
If people can't see through the BS, then we get what we deserve. Every change like this is going to have unconscious bias and will likely be taken as proof of manipulation by people who don't share that bias. The only winning move is not to play.
I think a more nuanced and useful way to look at things is to think of Twitter as an amplification machine rather than a speech machine. I can say what I want out loud, I can write whatever letters I want, I can make my own website if I want, etc., but putting it on Twitter causes Twitter to amplify it. Many of these announced changes pertain to what Twitter chooses to amplify - and how - rather than what it permits people to say. (As far as I can tell, the only tweets they are actually removing are those that call for violence, a standard for censorship that seems quite reasonable.)
If we think in terms of how and when to amplify speech, rather than trying to figure out what kind of speech to censor, we can hit upon more workable improvements. Twitter's proposals here, under that framing, are a mixed bag.
Twitter provides several ways to amplify posts - some of which are intentional on the part of users, some not. For example, if I follow a person, I'm telling Twitter to show all that person's posts in my feed. If I reply to a tweet, I'm telling Twitter to show my post to that person in their notifications, and also show it to other people who engage with it. If I quote-rt a tweet, I'm telling Twitter to show it to everyone who follows me, alongside my commentary. Etc.
On the other hand, if I like a post, or engage with it in any way, I'm not telling Twitter to show it to anyone - but my Like may cause it to recommend the post to others, sort it upward in the algorithmic timeline, etc. This unintentional amplification can have unintended consequences, because the system cannot tell when engagement metrics are due to positive or negative characteristics of the post.
Quote-retweets are also rife with unintended consequences. If someone "dunks" on a post by quote-retweeting it with criticism or mockery, they're betting that their comment is going to lower the status of the person they are quoting or persuade people the post is false. But the folks reading their post may not agree - and the original post might have been an bad faith attempt at distraction, which a dunk then amplifies. Alternatively, if a popular account dunks on a much less popular account, it can (sometimes intentionally, sometimes not) trigger a wave of hostility and harassment.
So I like parts of Twitter's changes here - they have the right to try and amplify true information more than false information, and removing flagged posts from recommendations will do that. Additionally, removing recommended content from non-followed accounts from the algorithmic timeline is positive as well - it reduces unintentional amplification and puts more control in the hands of users. But their encouragement of the quote-retweet is concerning. They don't seem to realize how effective a weapon it can be.
I would argue that any automated recommendation of user-generated content needs to be carefully controlled, if not abolished altogether. Recommendation systems cannot distinguish between content with high engagement due to quality, and high engagement due to emotionally manipulative dishonesty or other negative factors. And specially interested (or bigoted) political actors, who are simply interested in "the most effective way to attack / promote X" rather than arriving at the most truthful position, can test and manipulate those recommendation systems far more effectively than folks trying to engage with nuance and good faith.
This "situation where lies so easily go viral" seems to me to have intensified starting in around 2014 to 2015 - when Twitter introduced the quote-retweet, and Facebook introduced the algorithmic timeline. I don't think "free speech" is the right framing for thinking about it. The recent phenomenon is not the existence of extremist political movements or medical misinformation, but rather, their amplification.
They understand that "free speech" is one of many principles we value, that these principles can clash, and we inevitably have to choose between them in cases. Even if those choices make some people uncomfortable. Before today, speech was neither offline nor online so free as to permit fraud. It's a terrible civic abdication to write off criminal behavior because it's so easy to get away with online and because it looks so much on the surface level like "free speech."
Or because we live with too much fear and paranoia to accept even a discussion of establishing standards. Twitter making any judgment that some content is fraudulent is not the same as becoming the editorial boogeyman from the extremist side of whatever political party is opposite to yours. That's fear. That's an appeal to the slippery slope fallacy.
My trip to the store is better off for knowing that if someone was shouting about about Jesus or conspiracies, they'd be asked to leave. We don't question that limit on speech. There's a reason you see people doing that on street corners. If there was never any deplatforming, all platforms would inevitably suck.
Is it ideal that Twitter and Facebook have so much power? Maybe not, but that's just the reality we're in. We can't be paralyzed into inaction. There's no perfect body that everyone would trust to do the job and someone has to keep Twitter and Facebook from sucking too hard. Don't let your paranoia make you overlook that they'd lose half their audience/business if they ever strayed too far from the middle.
Honestly I wouldn't mind if the government DDOS'd them, or starting blocking all social media sites for four months. This is an emergency and these corps are behaving in an irresponsible manner which threatens our national security.
1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kya4G6z2pw (7m16s)
I just don't recall electing Twitter to take on this critical role.
Given how poorly the national news outlets performed on this the last presidential race, Twitter should really just limit this to state election official only.
The challenge is combining the aforementioned technology into an accepted standard and intuitive user experience. The business model would be straightforward hosting. A major barrier is the lack of funding to get it off the ground.
Slavery.
It's also worth thinking about which is more likely to happen: Twitter suppressing a true claim about election integrity being violated, or Twitter suppressing a false claim. Bear in mind that anyone can make a false claim.
From Facebook's point of view, we have recently learned that the whole circus around Cambridge Analytica was a gigantic farce and that they had no more access to anything than anyone else - and that they hardly did anything with it to begin with.
2016 taught us that even if everyone puts their chips on one candidate, and says that they have a 99% chance of winning, it may not be a reflection of reality whatsoever.
Now, given that Twitter is primarily a Democratic Party platform (no silly HN poster, I don't need to post evidence to back that up), I wonder why they are deciding to do this.
Do they know something about the election trends and which way the winds are blowing that they are intentionally trying to silence it to influence things one way or another?
If you have anything left in that head of yours, my dear HN reader, it would be a good time to flex it and read between the lines when these posts turn up. And to not believe everything you read, especially from corporations that hijack social and civic responsibilities for financial gains.
At any rate, make sure you get a comfy couch and some popcorn if you haven't. This will be a fun ride in a months time.