So you want to contact Brian Eno? (2000)
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But as those chunks [of time] get separated and fragmented, my productivity as a novelist drops spectacularly. What replaces it? Instead of a novel that will be around for a long time, and that will, with luck, be read by many people, there is a bunch of e-mail messages that I have sent out to individual persons, and a few speeches given at various conferences.
That is not such a terrible outcome, but neither is it an especially good outcome. The quality of my e-mails and public speaking is, in my view, nowhere near that of my novels. So for me it comes down to the following choice: I can distribute material of bad-to-mediocre quality to a small number of people, or I can distribute material of higher quality to more people. But I can’t do both; the first one obliterates the second.
(Edit - heh - just saw parent poster’s username ...)
Ugh why did I have to read his Wikipedia and ruin such a great quote and my impression of the man?
(i think his magic leap stuff wound down a while ago, though)
Freeman did okay, but again the art overall is not that good. I do recommend listening to “Snitches & Rats (interlude)” for a taste of Morgan’s work though. [1]
I agree everything associated with magic leap looks bad but that happens with everything that falls on the wrong side of history.
And while magic leap’s contributions appear meager, we haven’t had enough time to contextualize them or see what departed talent does next.
NeXT could have ended up in a dustbin.
[1] https://music.apple.com/us/album/snitches-rats-interlude/153...
"Some of AH's technical ideas, while wonderful--have trickled anonymously into the mainstream of rock in bits and pieces--in broadening the scope of guitar solos and sounds--inspiring hard rock players like Van Halen and Alex Lifeson, and shred-meisters such as Satriani and Vai--I have no time for those guys, because their whole approach to music seems mired to me in adolesence. AH forever refined and expanded the sound of the guitar--unlike Fripp, who single-handedly opened up rock music to new degrees of artistry and near limitless boundaries in terms of other musical traditions and approaches...."
But if you wanted proof that the kind of toxicity we see on the Internet nowadays did exist before (but wasn't available for everyone to see and amplify), this "fan" letter is a very good example!
There is some portion of famous people, particularly ones that have passed a bit into obscurity where a bit of fan contact would probably be welcome. Unfortunately it's hard to tell who and "a bit" would almost always be far less than the amount received if it got out that they didn't mind fan contact.
I've sent an occasional no-response-expected messages of thanks to the creators of stuff that I've liked-- as I've always appreciated receiving those myself.
I thought Eno's message in "exhibit 1" was thoughtful, well written, and worth the read.
I one read an insightful comment on reddit about the perspective of a youtuber about letting fans down at conventions because they didn't live their "on" youtube personality 24/7. It discussed how easy is is to disappoint people by just being human and what a tremendous responsibility having fans can be. From that perspective it isn't hard to see how just minimizing contact might be best for everyone. [Alas, I can't find it now to link to it here, as google has become substantially useless for searching for specific reddit comments]
Knowing his reclusion I wasn't expecting to get a response. Which was good, since I didn't receive one.
Cast in this unlikely role • Ill-equipped to act • With insufficient tact • One must put up barriers • To keep oneself intact
[...]
Living in a fish eye lens • Caught in the camera eye • I have no heart to lie • I can’t pretend a stranger • Is a long-awaited friend
Living in a fish eye lens
Caught in the camera eye
I have no heart to lie
I can't pretend a stranger
Is a long-awaited friendI have never been able to successfully replicate this sequence of events with another musician though....
One day I mailed an indie band from Canada and told them how much I loved their record and how incredible it was. I received an email back saying thanks that was signed with a name that I didn't recognize. I looked at their website and it was their drummer. I loved it. One of the very happy moments in my musical journey.
I wonder if Jack Stauber would react the same way.
However, emails are an area where something better could be done. Imagine if you were a famous person and you had a definite idea of who you wanted to hear from.
Friends and family would be whitelisted. Amazon too.
Everyone else could then be spam filtered to 'reject' or 'discard' their emails.
At the server level you could reject everything in a foreign language. Or with an attachment.
You could also have your own stop words. So Eno could have 'Music For Airports' as a phrase that triggered the response 'no, sorry mate, thanks for writing though'.
Now what would happen if people did get stock 'don't bother' emails? If they were well written and had some politeness to them then I think people would prefer that to 'well, he never replied, sob, sob...'.
It is about using a customer service ethos, which could be hard to imagine if you are a famous person and therefore centre of the known universe.
There is an aspect of 'proof of work' with email as it is. DMARC is a thing, reverse PTR checks and everything else an email has to get right shows that your email has at least tried.
There are also 'header checks' for proof of identity.
Right now, if some producer at the BBC needed Eno to star on Desert Island Discs then they would be able to contact Eno's agent, give their BBC email address and title, then get a yes or no straightaway.
In this the 'proof of work' would be going through the agent who would obviously think 'yeah, Brian would like that' to forward on the enquiry. They would check the person was from the BBC and it would all be good. Heck, they would probably know the producer anyway and the producer would have LinkedIn and other credentials.
The agent might not be replaceable by a postfix main.cf/master.cf configuration but it must be possible to get something better than anonymity.
I also think that emails received - even if never replied to - is an important metric. Imagine you thought you were really famous and that everyone was wanting to email you for that to not actually be the case.
This does remind me a little of Twitter though. People in the replies just begging for a reply or RT from a celeb. People will say ridiculous things just to get even a negative interaction with a celeb.
Why do they care?
Interesting that it's old enough they didn't just say "spam" (and in fact don't refer to it as spam, though that word was already in use by 2000....)
[0] Canadian Tom Third. Sorry for that, Tom!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYX86SW9rcg
The whole In A Room album (with Harmonia Ensemble) is very good, one of my favourites.
I come away with the impression that this is someone whose work has fulfilled him, and he is someone who doesn't seek the benefits or potential paths that many people would try to exploit success for.
He's not using his name to seek fame, be really highly regarded, or make great wealth from it. His work just has happened to give him some of that as a side benefit in his mind. I wouldn't even say "he's made it in life" in the traditional way you might say about someone who reached monetary satisfaction. He seems to have reached the fulfillment of his purpose in life, and that is kind of refreshing.
Not satisfying for fans, but refreshing. And maybe he's right that some of the negative reaction to this kind of perspective shows exactly the stress and "badness" of fame that creates a sense of entitlement among your appreciators.
Today it seems that every media/IG/whoever is seeking the likes (even you or I do a little of this every time you post something, right)? And the dopamine hit, or doors that it opens to new, interesting things, which probably turn out to be less interesting after a while, or result in more stress after you see what it is you're really pursuing.
Great for him to have reached this point in life -- although as I said, unsatisfying for his fans. Maybe it is an aspect of the human condition that when you've reached satisfaction in life, you actually become a bit disappointing to others -- exactly because you no longer feel the need to engage in the behavior to be an excitement, inspiration, false role model to them. I wonder if he at least plays that role for his friends or family, the ones who he does want to expend that mental energy on?
No offence, but this is an astoundingly ignorant thing to say about the legacy of Brian Eno.
Yeah, he’s not big like Celine Dion or Bono or anyone in that tier of musical fame or mega rich but to suggest that Eno hasn’t really made it in life is hilarious to me. He is one of the most respected and influential artists of his era. It’s like referring to Lou Reed as an unknown.
He's given us so, so many excellent recordings already.
https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/122016331710624153...
Edit: guess not knowing the producer of U2 and Coldplay is a sin around here. I’m 38 and I have no idea what any of his other work is but I don’t think I’d much care for it based on my opinions of those two bands he produced.
And of course his massively influential ambient productions, or the band Talking Heads... Or his ambient experiments with Robert Fripp, inventing the tape loop to make the guitar sound like something else.
Or the art/glam rock masterpieces Another Green World and Before and After Science.
"He must be before my time" "I know I’ve heard of him"
So, you make some research and the best you can come up with is "the producer of U2 and Coldplay"...
"I have no idea what any of his other work is but I don’t think I’d much care for it based on my opinions of those two bands he produced."
It all just reads as wilful ignorance... You obviously care enough to comment and bask in the fact that you're unaware of him. As if being oblivious to a hugely influential figure should be worn like a badge of pride or something
So I suspect that your downvotes are for broadcasting unfair assumptions as justification for wilful philistinism.
Coldplay boring, David Bowie never got into this music. U2 well let’s just say I was one of the people that went through the process to get their free album removed from my iTunes account. Eno seems exactly the type of music I wouldn’t care for. The fact that I made it this far without knowing who he is and finding all the stuff he has touched not what I like seems to validate that.
At what point is it no longer my burden to explore something more until I am no longer a philistine in your opinion?
> At what point is it no longer my burden to explore something more until I am no longer a philistine in your opinion
Well, since you ask, I have to suggest just try talking about something you actually know anything about, or are interested in, rather than wasting everyone's time spruiking your incompetence and taking a shit on everyone else's interests.
What you do with this feedback remains up to you.
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