Chemist Uses CO2 to Convert Seawater into Drinking Water
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This article leaves a lot to be desired.
There is no compound called "diamine." Diamines are a class of compounds. Without knowing which one is being used, there's not much of a discussion to be had. We can say nothing about practicality or environmental impact, not to mention a host of other issues.
What may be happening here is the formation of a dicarboxamide, which then does something. That carboxamide formation is not likely to be reversible at room temperature.
The article has no link to the primary paper, where issues like this could readily be addressed, and there is absolutely no excuse to ever neglect to do so in 2020.
Which, for the uninitiated, means it is starting feasibility testing and are just barely starting development. I would bet they haven't solved that in any significant scale, that sort of issue wouldn't have come up yet at their development level.
Frankly I doubt that they've done a detailed enough analysis to know these kinds of things at TRL 2-3, at best they've done a back of the envelope calculation based on lab results at small scale to show it's not obviously stupid, or if they're really on the ball they've got a license for Aspen and have some incredibly oversimplified model that shows it's not obviously stupid.
Really, at this development level, "not obviously stupid" is a pretty positive thing. If they're doing the work right, they are trying to demonstrate that it's stupid every day because that's how you avoid discovering it's stupid after five years of R&D and $50M.
In computer science, such efficiency gains are rather common. In physics, and thermodynamics in particular, a single 5% energy efficiency gain is huge.
But for most chemicals the energy efficiency is important while material efficiency is more important. Usually there are tradeoffs. For instance I have made a chemical to 99.8% purity without a ton of purification. If it were to 99% then I'd have to spend a lot more energy to reach 99.8% purity (which happened to be required to be useful as a product). But the process to reach 99% is simpler and uses less energy than the process to reach 99.8%. So really it's just an optimization problem where you definitely cannot assume that improving the yield or efficiency of one part of the system will result in an overall efficiency improvement unless you model it all.
The problem is that it is premature to talk about energy efficiency in any remotely meaningful way here because the "big box" you need to draw around your system is vastly bigger when you're talking about a complicated plant doing by my count at least a dozen (including heating, cooling, separations, etc) processes simultaneously.
I'm not saying that their idea wouldn't work in that context, I am simply saying that at TRL 2-3, if this were me doing the work, we would have noted the amine issue and deferred it until a later TRL level because it's theoretically a non-core technology to remove it. It doesn't tell you much about your throughput of your membrane or what salt gradients it works with or how to power it -- that's what I would expect them to be focusing on.
Removing the amine would be like TRL 3-4 maybe, if they're on the ball, but they have to attack the problems most likely to result in failure first. Amine contamination is way lower on a priority list than, say, the membrane rupturing every seventeen days. That's literally just more where I would guess they are at development-wise, regardless of whatever claims they make.
I just cannot trust claims made at that TRL level, at best they're extremely optimistic guesses extrapolated from a 1L benchtop apparatus they are trying to model a whole plant using data from. It's a good thing to do. It won't give a correct answer, but it will give you an idea of what's important at least.
But he did repost a press release on Twitter. Perhaps the paper is not published yet?
[0] https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=RplTooAAAAAJ
[1] https://twitter.com/theleelab_chem
[2] https://chemistry-europe.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002...
(and at he bottom there's a link to the r&d company he founded)
[0] https://news.ku.dk/all_news/2020/09/chemist-uses-co2-to-conv...
Wouldn't this information likely be patented, which could explain much of the press release secrecy?
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All the dry regions are rather sunny, solar reverse osmosis sounds like a no-brainer.
A cubic meter of fresh water costs about 3-4 kWh, desal plants are rather compact unlike the solar to power them and land tends to be expensive near shores so it makes no sense to combine solar and desal on the same site.
What happens to the CO2 afterward, if the salt is released? If this doesn't bind the CO2 permanently then its only about water desal. If it bound the CO2 it has dual-purpose.
The "switchable" chelating agent is pretty interesting, but I haven't been close enough to know if this is groundbreaking or just an advancement of an exiting phenomenon.
I might be a major cynic here, but my guess is that this is really cool science and like a lot of cool, basic science, the researchers need to find a practical use for it. That helps translate "cool basic science" into "existing new technology".
My PI did it when I was in graduate school - we always talked about our new molecules as being potential cancer treatments when really the focus was on the basic organic chemistry. It's a lot easier to win grants saying you're developing "new anti-cancer compounds" than being honest and saying your research is focused on the development of "novel chalcogen compounds that undergo pericyclic rearrangements to form strained heterocycles".
I'd hate it since it would be monetizing part of the mining industry I don't like, but it makes economic sense in the narrow. If diamine is bad, and gets into the food chain this wreaks longterm harm. If the liberated salt is bad, likewise.
I tend to "stop the mining" but understanding the pressure of water issues on mining and farming, there may be huge upsides here.
Deep groundwater passes the vibe check.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187661021...
> Currently, the CowaTech technology is at technology readiness level (TRL) 2-3.
the original scale went 1-7 where 1 meant "Basic Principles Observed and Reported" and 7 meant "System Adequacy Validated in Space"
The current scale(s) seems to be 1-9, and my take on 2-3 is "press release" :)
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That and wildfires 500 miles away from me are about all people outside of the state ever seen to hear about. From the way they tell it it sounds like they're concerned that I'm going to die of thirst.