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Dang, this sounds like taking literally everything I hate about "the future", and doubling down on it. I just had a bad experience with a dealership where I thought my thorough explanation (including error codes) was sufficient to narrow down the issue, but they completely ignored anything I said and did their own thing, which ended up solving exactly nothing. I ended up getting the diagnostic fee waived and have now taken the vehicle to an independent shop, where I can speak 1:1 to the owner and actually have my input listened to and respected.

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Speaking of hating the future, the all-digital, gigantic touchscreen interfaces terrify me.

I have a 2011 F150 lariat trim truck, and it is not only swanky on the inside, but isn't phased at all by hauling timber, logs or back woods dirt trails that smaller vehicles get stuck in.

One of my favorite features, though, is that there is NO touchscreen. Every control is a physical button or knob, and I can use any of them from touch and muscle memory alone.

I fully expect the truck to survive another 200k miles or so, but dread the day I have to get something newer.

This is why I love Subaru. Their new cars have a touch screen, but it's mainly for display and advanced settings. Every important control (audio, lights, climate control, etc.) is analog

The AC controls are moved to the touchscreen in the new Outback.

Not the 2020 outback. So disappointed as was looking to upgrade to a 2020 but the touchscreen everything made me leave it behind. Got an ascent instead because they had a deal.

Mazda is the only company doing it right these days.

It also takes around 4-5 button taps to do things like turn off the heated seats. In most cars you can do that without having to take your eyes of the road

Seconded. Just bought a Mazda 6 and one of the reasons was a sensible, buttons-first infotainment system. There's a knob in the center console that I can use to control everything. Besides that, the seat warmer/cooler, the AC, all the basic stuff is controlled by buttons.

But the kicker is that the infotainment system has a touchscreen, but the touch functionality is _disabled_ if the car is moving, because they think it's a hazard to have a person operate it while driving.

I regularly haul pipes, skis, boards, furniture, or other long and awkward objects that would destroy a touchscreen, or at least render it unusable for the journey.

Physical buttons are so much more durable.

It's very hard to destroy screen with protection, and it's super easy to destroy some tiny manual control e.g. anything related to air conditioning, tesla interior is minimalistic, no even air plastic fins, so if you have that stuff inside, model Y or 3 is the best choice for you :)

"Cracked button" really doesn't seem like a realistic issue. And they really don't fall off easily. You're free to have your preferences but the reality is still that most physical buttons are incomparably more durable than a touchscreen, especially a large one, especially if it still happens to be a consumer grade laptop screen. Simplicity has its benefits.

And if/when the buttons crack/fall-off there's a very good chance that you can fix it there and then with a drop of super-glue. Try that with fancy touchscreen...

I am sympathetic to your point; glasses can be very durable nowadays.

In this scenario, though, I would be most concerned with scratching the screen. That, And replacing a broken knob is surely cheaper than a gigantic touch screen should it be actually damaged.

You're joking, right? I'm not convinced any Tesla vehicle is a good choice for anyone, after seeing this album earlier: https://www.flickr.com/photos/136377865@N05/sets/72157658490...

That was scary to look at. The worrying part is they all look like new cars, many of them with low mileage. This doesn't look safe for anyone on the road.

All the screens in cars I've tried have made me want to hammer a screwdriver through them because their software was so terrible.

Except for one: The Tesla screen. I'd still prefer no screen at all, but Tesla seems to hire software engineers who understand that human factors are a thing, and who seem to have an actual degree in computer science.

Mazda is lightyears ahead. Screen, yes. Touch, no.

Same boat. Trading in my fancy Chrysler Pacifica minivan for a Toyota Sequoia with physical AC knobs. Right now I have to wait for a computer to boot up, and then click to accept the terms and conditions. Every. Time.

I got a 2020 Pacifica - I don’t need to use the touchscreen to perform any essential tasks. The AC has physical buttons and a knob. I typically just ignore the screen when I drive and there’s “screen off” physical button.

Does your AC start instantly when you turn on the car? Mine doesn't.

On a hot day I actually start the car remotely and it automatically starts the AC a few minutes before I get into the car. Mine is a hybrid so I can do this even when it’s in my garage.

> I can use any of them from touch and muscle memory alone

Also with gloves. Large parts of the planet may appreciate that.

Ha, I can't believe I forgot to mention that, especially with our winters. I guess I am even less prepared for the future than I thought :(

Yes, agreed 100%. I firmly that believe touch screens in cars are a safety hazard.

I think we're going to collectively realize that putting touch screens on everything is a mistake. It prevents you from being able to use an interface unless it has your attention / you are looking at it.

I agree that anything you are expected to need to adjust while driving should have a physical knob, button, or switch. That doesn't preclude you from having a touch screen to do other things though.

Ha ha I totally feel that. Especially for a high-ticket item, give me a human to talk to!!

I can't stand it when support is crippled by "policy" - half the time I think they can't either.

Seems that these sorts of "policies" & practices strongly contradict Musk's semi-famous directives about crossing company boundaries to get things done, not respecting the chain of command [0,1]

This forces everyone into the same malfunctioning funnel, and it doesn't appear to work for the employees either.

Tons of respect for Musk's accomplishments, but I hope it doesn't go the way of Google which is famous for nonexistent customer support...

[0] "Anyone at Tesla can and should email/talk to anyone else according to what they think is the fastest way to solve a problem for the benefit of the whole company. You can talk to your manager's manager without his permission, you can talk directly to a VP in another dept, you can talk to me, you can talk to anyone without anyone else's permission. Moreover, you should consider yourself obligated to do so until the right thing happens. "

[1] https://www.inc.com/justin-bariso/this-email-from-elon-musk-...

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