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Honestly, it depends on what other cars you have already driven. Many people who buy model 3 don’t come from higher priced luxury cars. Model 3 is better than bmw 3 series in driving, but not as good as their m3

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A Model 3 SR+ with the towing hook costs 50.000 EUR in Austria (where I live). For that money I can buy a lot of other car.

Yeah, I only got it because I have 2.5 hrs of commute and I was getting frustrated driving into the sun both ways in stop and go traffic

How did a Tesla fix that?

Autopilot. Just Stay in your lane, and forget about break/accelerator dance. It may extend your commute by 5 or 10 minutes, but man, it is a massive help. Other cars have some limited capabilities like this, but they don't seem to drive the car with the same confidence, IMO. Tesla's version drives through curves with ease, and for the most part, i only leave a finger on the steering, just in case.

Interestingly Tesla’s autopilot is quite bad at stop and go traffic here because it does not know how to drive in a mandatory emergency corridor here. So you’re left with cruise control.

Berlin factory will cut the prices :)

How would, say, the base model 3 compare against a 2 year old base model C or E class? Or the same 2 yeah old Lexus Es350 or Volvo S90? All sitting comfortably in the base model 3's $30k price range. I've heard the driving experience is definitely better but I have serious doubts that the quality or fit and finish would match.

It doesn’t measure up if you want Luxury or ride comfort. OTOH it excels in commuter traffic and leaving everyone else in the rear view mirror at the lights ;)

Really? Because my wife’s Model Y is way more fun to drive than my BMW M3.

I envy your wife then ;)

You're almost certainly not the target demographic for an M3.

Bwahahah. Well, at least this example of gatekeeping can't hold a candle to Porsche drivers.

I mean, it's not gatekeeping, I'm not saying you can't enjoy it. But the M3 is meant for people that want performance, handling, and mechanical experience.

If you enjoy the Model Y more than the M3, then you prefer it to a car that has much higher cornering performance, much higher acceleration from the 0-60 all the way to 155mph, and of course the M3 is a much rawer experience.

If you don't, that's fine, it's just that the M3 wasn't made for you.

Model y performance and especially model 3 performance is faster then M3 that’s why bmw sales are crashing, they lost the performance mojo

The Model Y performance is 0.2 seconds faster to 60, and slower in every single other performance metric, as well as has pretty low range. I wouldn't call it faster than the M3, unless all you care about it is pulls in a straight line, which is indicative of not really being the target market for an M3.

As for the Model 3 performance, I agree.

I wouldn't describe the model Y as fun to drive. It's comfortable and spacious but it's nowhere near a sportscar.

You should compare it to a BMW X6 or 6 GT, both of which are also not sportscars but still on the sporty end of the SUV like spectrum.

If you want to compare a fun to drive Tesla with a BMW I would take the Model S and the M5, both are large comfortable saloons designed to be fast.

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