Why American cities can’t keep up with infrastructure maintenance (2017)
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This is the lens through which Strong Towns views the country's cities. It's a useful model that explains a great deal. It's also falsifiable.
The growth Ponzi scheme hypothesis says that the source of America's infrastructure problems is subsidies from higher levels of governments (e.g., federal) to lower levels (e.g., cities) for infrastructure. The outcome is always the same: infrastructure that can't be maintained because its costs were never accounted for.
The Strong Towns website is chock full of examples, and Lafayette LA is just one. At this point if you live in any US city it seems pretty likely that you'll find a Growth Ponzi at work.
Also, that 3D map should scare the liver out of local politicians.
The same thing is happening right now with EU grant money given for "development" to some of its Eastern European members. Lots of mayors and local officials use that money for grand local infrastructure projects for which they won't have any reasonable money to maintain even in the near future (let alone 30 to 50 years from now), because we have a numerically declining tax-base that is getting older and older (I live in one of those Eastern European countries).
But mentioning that issue gets you labeled as a person "against progress" or an anti-European (or worse, a Russian shill who doesn't trust the European project). We have a saying in Romanian that roughly translates as: "you should stretch out only as much as your blanket allows you to", i.e. one should only consume the resources he/she thinks are reasonably available to him/her, but right at this moment we are "stretching out" further than the bed itself and getting out of the bedroom altogether.
How your government allocated the funds was your governments doing, but the money that was sent to Estonia has been invested and that’s what it has been... an investment.
Any investment that does not yield returns that cover its costs is failed.
Infrastructure facilitates so much of what makes up society that -not- having it can be much more costly than having it.
But in those cases it doesn’t it’s because government corruption or ineptitude has eaten you from the inside.
Yes, that national or regional road that was modernised or enlarged using European money will most probably prove to be an worthy investment and money will be found to keep it in shape, but what about all the secondary roads or even smaller inner-village streets that have now been modernised and which will not bring any extra economic value whatsoever? Because using a gravel-road to connect 5 or 10 village houses is as as good as any asphalt-road, and, more importantly, is a lot cheaper to maintain in the long run. And when asphalt roads go bad they go really bad, with craters instead of the actual road, I've not witnessed the same phenomenon with gravel roads (they do get sort of bad but not on the same magnitude).
Still, even the paving of village ways may have positive economic value. Throughout Cluj county one finds that once asphalt is laid in a village, that village becomes an attractive place to buy a home for commuters who are now priced out of Cluj itself.
[1] https://www.google.com/maps/@44.0999208,27.6257843,15378m/da...
[2] https://www.google.com/maps/@44.2123091,27.4520726,3a,75y,35...
https://euobserver.com/justice/126948
"Twenty EU-financed airports in Estonia, Greece, Italy, Poland and Spain have misspent large sums of EU taxpayers' money for well over a decade. A report out Tuesday (16 December) by the European Court of Auditors found that €255 million - more than half of the EU funds audited - went into unnecessary expansion projects."
People who actually measure EU ROI usually report extremely high levels of failed investment. In fact EU spending is notoriously corrupt and famous for yielding negative ROI. Here's some stories about Cornwall, one of the poorest parts of the UK and one of the poorer regions in the EU.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-33360841
EU "invested" 465 million pounds to create jobs. It was meant to create 10,000 new jobs for a cost of £46,500 per job, but actually only created 3,557 jobs. "You've got some absolutely damning statistics, for example in the research and development fund, the cost per job was £160,000 per person."
It would literally have been a better use of money to pay people an average wage to do nothing whatsoever - UBI for real. Instead it was spent on things they called "investments" that would never have worked if you'd pitched them to a bank and tried to get a normal loan.
The reason is explained by this guy:
https://cornishstuff.com/2020/05/21/eu-funding-failed-to-ach...
And he suggested that there had been a lack of analysis of whether individual programmes had achieved what they set out to do. He said that the impact of schemes was “rarely considered” and said that there was little attempt to explain how EU funding would provide a financial benefit and no consideration of “how are we going to turn 10million into 60m”. Mr Parkins said that while most organisations would have to demonstrate that there would be “more money coming out than they are putting in” that had been lacking with the EU funding.
He also claims a lot of the funds go to public sector agencies or NGOs that are optimised for receiving grant funding.
More on ghost infrastructure:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/1198576...
The auditors reported 22 cases of suspected fraud to OLAF, the EU’s fraud investigators. They included suspected conflicts of interest and “the artificial creation of conditions to receive subsidy” .... In Greece, an EU-funded sewerage network project has remained unused nearly a decade after it was launched after the local government failed to connect it to private homes.
Routing it through a company that pours a bunch of concrete is just the cost of keeping Brussels off your back and thus keeping the tap open.
There was also the entire communist central planning thing that made resources misallocated.
The Roman Empire isn't around either, but I don't blame their infrastructure projects for that. More likely that those helped them last as long as they did.
― Kurt Vonnegut, Hocus Pocus
For a tech example, see how reliably Google rewards teams for making new stuff and not for keeping it running.
All post-Communist nations tend to struggle with the idea of diligent upkeep / maintenance of publicly owned things. In fact, I would say that visibly older, but well maintained infrastructure is a great indicator of good governance.
The attitude is slowly getting better, but aging of our countries will probably exacerbate the problem again. It is not just disappearing tax-base, but disappearing skill-base that comes with the common job market. Like, finding a competent tradesman is visibly becoming harder. Why should they even stay in the country when they can earn more in Germany or the UK.
That said, if finding a competent tradesman is becoming harder (demand exceeds supply), their income will eventually increase to an equilibrium point where it starts making sense for them not to move to Germany/UK.
When I emigrated to Poland in 2005 (from the US) driving between Krakow and Gdynia at never more than 15% over the speed limit of 90 km/h (the average speed everyone else is travelling at) (but often under 90 km/h due to many lorries on the road, tractors, accidents, people in elderly Fiats, elderly people in Peugeots/Fiats/Polonez/etc) with three 15 minute stops the driving time was about 10.5 to 11 hours. Now it's about 7 to 7.5 hours (two stops, not three, and usually driving right at the speed limit).
The change is because of the introduction of the proper A1 motorway. Two lanes each direction and, most places, rated for 140 km/h.
I should note that the "proper" A1 isn't yet complete. There's no A-class motorway between Krakow and Czestochowa though it's being built and should be complete in a few years.
Maintenance on the thousands of kilometers of motorways (and highways and smaller roads) will undoubtedly be a significant expense in the future. But those roads allow for a staggering quantity of goods (and people) to be moved about quickly, safely, and inexpensively (even accounting for tolls). I doubt that our current government is setting aside money for maintenance for all of that but the potential incompetence of today's government shouldn't be a reason not to do something that will have ripple effects for decades.
I feel like post war the US made a lot of extravagant speculative bets on infrastructure, particularly related to suburban housing development.
And the world does prove it false. If you look at municipal budgets infrastructure is usually around 10%. There isn't one out there that spends a majority of their budget on infrastructure. The expensive things are cops and schools and fire and other labor intensive services.
The municipalities that have gone bankrupt the issue has almost always been an inability to pay pensions. With the other ones caused by financial fraud and/or mismanagement.
For the life of me I can't understand why people keep posting this Strongtowns nonsense. Their core hypothesis is easily probable wrong and they post the silliest numbers. Like this one pegs Lafayette's infrastructure replacement at 32 billion. Yet Lafayette's entire budget is only 0.6 billion. Since they haven't spent the entire budget for last 50+ years on infrastructure that 32 billion is obviously nonsense.
> If you look at municipal budgets infrastructure is usually around 10%.
The article says exactly this.
> There isn't one out there that spends a majority of their budget on infrastructure.
So what you're saying is that the city doesn't spend what it would cost to actually keep up with maintenance. They're saying exactly the same thing. Unless you think that the city is pocketing billions in profits from unspent tax money (they aren't), it's hard to see how they could possibly spend more on infrastructure without majorly cutting other services and/or taxing more than the people can afford, which is the premise of the article.
> The expensive things are cops and schools and fire and other labor intensive services.
These costs scale most directly with population, not land area. You'd have these same expenses if the city were built such that the road infrastructure cost less to maintain, so pointing at them makes no sense.
> Like this one pegs Lafayette's infrastructure replacement at 32 billion. Yet Lafayette's entire budget is only 0.6 billion.
The article is about how Lafayette cannot keep up with maintenance because it would cost too much. Literally exactly the same thing as what you just said, and yet your conclusion is that they have it wrong? Why?
We've had sprawling suburbs in this country since at least the 50s. In that time we haven't really seen any municipality go bankrupt from infrastructure or have infrastructure costs come to dominate the budget. And we continue to have roads and sewers and so forth.
The only conclusion from those set of facts is that Strongtown's argument is fundamentally flawed. And indeed it is. For all their case studies and imaginative math they have one glaring and fatal flaw. They can't point to one city or town and say this city is no more because they couldn't afford their infrastructure.
Most infrastructure is designed to last decades, and many cities have stretched infrastructure - from bridges to sewers to more - decades beyond its original expected lifespan. The bills are starting to come due now.
Who paid for building them in the first place then? Were people in the 50s so much wealthier than now, that paying for the roads and sewers was peanuts for them, but we cannot afford it anymore?
The whole Strong Towns theory of infrastructure costs bankrupting cities does sound plausible, until you start doing the math. Then, it becomes totally absurd.
It's a lot easier to find new money to build infrastructure to new residents than to find new money to rebuild aging infrastructure, of course. But, it's also easy to scale up or down infrastrucure maintenance to fit your budget for the most part. If you have a small budget, you clear problem pipes regularly, rather than replace them; if you have a large budget, you identify pipes that are becoming problematic before they cause problems and replace them, and build in redundancies when possible; somewhere in the middle, you replace the worst pipes when you can afford to, and clear the others. Few systems will outright fail and the city needs to be abandoned (but there was a story of one in the suburbs of St Louis in recent months... Although, again that was a long decline, not a sudden issue.)
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-night-new-york-...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_Broker
This is a story repeated nationwide. Exfiltrate money from urban areas to finance sprawl. Use inevitable debt crisis to smash pensions, contracts, services, etc.
Most recently: You've heard of Detroit?
"...that Strongtown's argument is fundamentally flawed."
Sure. Nicotine ain't addictive. HFCS is healthy. Human activity isn't responsible for climate crisis. Tax cuts for the richest creates jobs. We've always been at war with Eastasian.
Pull my other leg, it plays jiggle bells.
Crumbling ones that don't receive all of the needed maintenance, yes. Potholes for miles, yes. Rail that breaks down daily, yes. Water systems that are one bad rain away from poisoning everyone or flooding a million people out of their homes, yes.
> They can't point to one city or town and say this city is no more because they couldn't afford their infrastructure.
Literally every city I look at can't afford upkeep on its infrastructure. They sidestep this by just not paying for all of the needed maintenance and only ever dealing with the worst emergencies using state and federal emergency grants. That's very much not the same thing as everything being peachy.
> In that time we haven't really seen any municipality go bankrupt
Only half of states even allow municipal bankruptcy by law, and _many_ cities require more money to come in from outside than they are able to generate themselves.
Show me potholes for miles in Lafayette, LA. Show me all the people poisoned there from heavy rains. Or all those people flooded out of their houses.
>Literally every city I look at can't afford upkeep on its infrastructure. They sidestep this by just not paying for all of the needed maintenance and only ever dealing with the worst emergencies. That's very much not the same thing as everything being peachy.
Pick one and let's break it down.
Nassau County, one of the first generation of suburbs and one of the wealthiest counties in the country, has been under NYS fiscal control since 2000.
https://www.nassaucountyny.gov/DocumentCenter/View/28135/fin...
> GENERAL EXPENSES
> General Expenses include a wide range of products and services required by departments to support service delivery. They include office, maintenance, medical, postage, recreational, automotive supplies, and gasoline. This category also captures the expense associated with road maintenance projects, sewage, and drainage supplies.
And how much is their general expenses fund? $38M. That's just above 1% of their $3.5B budget. Clearly, infrastructure maintenance is killing them.
This is my first article i've read by this company and it didn't really seem to have a conclusion besides spreading obviously false data.
In his broader body of work he does a good job of talking actual numbers and why they’re a lot higher than you’d think.
Louisiana population 4.65M
Lafayette population 126k
Miles of road in Lousiana: 130k (https://blog.cubitplanning.com/2010/02/road-miles-by-state/)
Assume Lafayette's share of road miles is proportional to population, and you get around 3500 miles of roadway around Lafayette. Minimum paved road construction cost is ~$2M/mile, according to https://www.artba.org/about/faq/#:~:text=Construct%20a%20new....
So a very conservative road replacement estimate for Lafayette is about $7B, and that's just the roads. The Strongtowns figure may be off, but it's likely the right order of magnitude.
Believe me or not, this to an even bigger extend plagues China.
I think more than half of major cities in China are fully consciously running a Ponzi scheme with their own land leases, as they have really no other revenue source to sustain them long term, and this is why they are ready to go to any extremes to do this.
Effectively, private loans are financing municipalities through overpriced land leases. Everybody who ever dealt with real estate in China will tell that land auctions are rigged using every trick imaginable.
This feels like looking at a company by division and deciding that R&D and HR a make huge losses and all the profits are in sales.
The article’s main thesis is that these poor areas have the best ROI for development.
The main issue is that free parking lots associated with big box stores are incredibly unproductive uses of land, and the tax value of the property reflects that.
That doesn't follow from your quote. The quote says that the problem is that those subsidies were used for horizontal development (i.e. sprawl), which rapidly expanded the infrastructure. You are correct that future maintenance wasn't budgeted, but if the city had expanded vertically (i.e. denser urban cores), the infrastructure costs wouldn't have risen quite so dramatically.
How is this possible? Some of my planner colleagues will say it is density, but I've long rejected that simplistic
explanation. There is a lot more to it than a simple division problem.
He goes on to explain that the poorer areas tend to have smaller houses and narrower streets built on higher ground, all of which leads to lower maintenance costs. They were built with more frugality and risk aversion than the more affluent areas. This supports the thesis that Lafayette's predicament stems from extravagant infrastructure in affluent areas that wouldn't have been built without subsidies.[1] https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/1/10/poor-neighborh...
This is just such a fundamental misunderstanding of how the world works. Land doesn't pay tax. People do. And they pay it out of the things that they produce. Planting trees or painting crosswalks doesn't increase their productivity and therefore does not grow the tax base. Increased property values simply represent an increase in the tax rate. You can get this same "return" by cutting out the beautification and simply raising the millage.
Sure, if you make your city more attractive rich people from other areas may move there. But nationally that is a zero sum game. If a rich person moving to the beautified city from an ugly one the net change is 0 as the ugly city loses as much as the rich one gains. The only way for cities to actually get richer is to increase the productivity of their citizens. This means spending on education, infrastructure, and public health.
Are you familar with the concept of the Big O notation [1], which computer scientists use to (more or less) describe the "growth" of their algorithms? E.g. when you compare something that growth quadratically O(n²) to something that only growth linear O(n) you will see, that at some point the quadratically growth will grow faster as the linear growth. Forever! The linear growth will never win.
Comparing this to the horizontal sprawl of a city is easy. The area of a city is planar which is mathematically described as quadratic O(n²) but the average growth of the domestic product is just linear O(n). Assuming the maintainance cost of a planar sprawling city growth quadratic while the domestic product only growth linear then the costs will win over the income. Forever!
The conclusion is to limit the horizontal sprawl of a city to linear growth. This means every new house, street, rail road, pipe system, power line and so on must be build inside a diameter to the city's center with a distance which is logaritmic O(lg(n)) on average. The rest must growth vertically.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_O_notation [2] https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/268750/global-gross-domes...
While this seems like a ponzi scheme of perpetual growth, there is nothing that would prevent the federal government ( or the local government ) from repeating this exercise to rebuild the infrastructure. If we can't redo this exercise it means that
- Despite economic growth, the cost of replacing existing infrastructure is higher than it was a generation ago e.g. Cost disease: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol%27s_cost_disease
- The balance of payments in the economy is not well calibrated on a generational scale, profitable economic activity is not attributed on a local scale with free cash flows diverted elsewhere by rentiers/global financial flows e.g. a factory in annaheim california sees all profits recognized in Delaware/Ireland. The federal government/central bank may have more capability to provide local governments with finances than we would expect in such a scenario by rebalancing payments.
- The current US city landscape has real long-term economic costs that drain capital on unprofitable activities, immediate pivots in city planning are required to avoid economic fallout.
I suspect a little bit of all three options are at play, but I would be curious for more exploration on items 1&2. A great irony of the modern world is that the City of Flynn borders several pipe manufacturers.
It did not, this is completely false. Federal government by and large didn't fund local roads and sewers. Federal government did often help with interstate highways and large water works, but those would be built just the same even with the Strong Towns preferred high density development model.
By the way, the money that federal government spends is not created out of thin air. It comes mostly from federal income tax, which is overwhelmingly paid by the people living in exactly the kind of suburbs Strong Towns hates.
Keeping roads in shape for multi-ton vehicles to barrel down them is expensive. Keeping them in shape for humans, not so much.
Of course if you build with only a single mode of transport in mind, the majority of people will opt towards that mode of transportation. Unfortunately, many suburbs and small cities have made that mistake and also chose the most expensive mode, hence the article.
It would have been far more dangerous without sidewalks.
I like that you used the phrase "accounted for". It implies in my mind that the politicians doling out the cash did not monitor how that cash was used.
In management-speak, it's the classic phrase "delegation without follow-up to abdictation"
I initially thought about it in terms of accountability "the lower levels should have wrote down their expenses, their decisions, and sent it upward for review" but then I thought "why would most people do that if the people at top aren't mandating the record-keeping, let alone looking at it?" The higher levels didn't attach real strings to the funds and only kept abreast of developments by looking at the end results. Which were positive and attractive, but camouflaged very real deficiencies in the system that produced it.
It's plain irresponsibility.
This is pretty clearly false; the main cause of infrastructure maintenance neglect is that politicians, like many leaders in other fields, get more career boost from new projects than making sure existing things are maintained. That's true from top to bottom.
There's policy contributions (e.g., California Prop. 13 makes local jurisdictions dependent on development fees and other growth-related revenue because property taxes are limited to a low nominal level and decline in real terms as property is held because of the limitations on assessed value increases to significantly below the historical average rate of inflation), but new-project subsidies aren't a root cause but a symptom of the cause which would exist even without the subsidies.
Here's another one. In Seattle, the city has seen enormous growth in tax revenue, far outpacing population growth. But the money just seems to disappear. Where it's going are public employee pensions, which were enacted long ago by politicians to garner the support of the unions. But the math on these is unsustainable and a looming crisis, but the politicians couldn't care less as the bill was far into the future and the election was just around the corner.
I think the “public vs private” take is a false dichotomy. I think there is a decent amount of evidence to show this short-term biases are a general human problem
The fundamental difference with corporations is their finances are regularly examined by professional investors and if they're playing the short term game, their stocks get dumped.
There are people who are aware of the looming fiscal catastrophes of local government, but there's no way to "dump" the stock of them, while efforts are made to obfuscate these liabilities and the heavy influence of public unions pretty much ensure there's no accountability.
Furthermore, it's illegal for corporations to hide this stuff on their accounts, stuff that governments do routinely.
If you can identify a corporation that artificially boosts quarterly profits with short term thinking, and still has a rising stock price year after year, I'd like to hear about it. The ones I know of that did this went right down the sewer shortly after the professional investors discovered it.
The classic example is Enron. They took credit for VOD sales that hadn’t happened but were just optimistic projections. Your point still holds though that there are different checks and balances between public and private organizations. Public checks are at the voting booth, private (publicly traded) companies checks are at the stock exchange. Your claim is no different for public orgs, the time-scale is just different. It’s like challenging for an example of an unsustainable govt keeping its prominence for centuries. Unsustainable practices eventually have their reckoning regardless if they are public or private.
Are there examples of governments hiding account details that are illegal yet allowed to continue once uncovered?
Enron went to zero after their fraud went public.
> Unsustainable practices eventually have their reckoning regardless if they are public or private.
The looming crisis of local government is known, but nobody does a thing about it. Unlike with stocks.
> Public checks are at the voting booth, private (publicly traded) companies checks are at the stock exchange.
There's a huge difference. To change things in government requires a 51% majority vote once every several years. But if you don't like a stock, you can sell it in a millisecond (literally). You don't have to convince anyone else. A vote is not the same thing as a choice.
Municipal bonds are almost like student loans in the US.
Like student loans, easier access means they can charge more.
Wake up to the developer perspective.
There was a Subway station called Runnymede that took about 5-7 years and when completely you couldn't tell they did anything. I am sure it cost 10's of millions of dollars and could have been completely started and finished by a private contractor in a couple months.
The city has never been manage properly because there are no consequences to the ineptness of the Politicians and bureaucracy that run it. You could complain (a lawyer friend did) and they basically either ignore or make up some story how difficult it is to lay 200 sq/ft of tile and clean an escalator...These things take years of hard work and planning....
Surprised the city doesn't come crashing down under it's own weight of dysfunction but they seem to prop it up by the endless tax or fee increases.
If an escalator/elevator is shut down for a few months (or years) due to refurbishment, it's because worn, but vital, parts of it have been removed for use as reference materials so replacements can be made. It is also possible that vital parts could be too worn for the escalator/elevator to operate safely until new parts have been made and installed.
I'll also point out that published information on the Runnymede project indicates that the current round of construction started at the end of 2018, involved the addition of three underground elevator shafts, and is expected to be completed at the end of 2020[0]. Unless you are referring to earlier work, your '5-7 year' timeline to 'clean an escalator' is a vast exaggeration.
[0] http://ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Construction/Runnymede_EA.j...
I’m sure there’s bureaucratic inefficiency. But there’s always so much nonsense that gets appended to the criticism.
Drilling shafts and installing new elevator is a bit more than a "simple renovation" IMHO.
https://ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Construction/Runnymede_EA....
And that assumes that they're not doing structural fixes for a station that was built >50 years ago (Line 2, B-D, opened in 1966).
This most likely happens because of insufficient government funding for maintenance.
Government budgets reset every year; governments can't take unspent program money at the end on one fiscal year and bank it for next year. There is no way to "save up" for big expenses aside from directly allocating sufficient funds in the funding legislation.
That sort of lump allocation is a lot easier to get for new work. The main reason is, new work has better optics--you go from nothing to something. Maintenance, unless it changes the cosmetics, looks about the same at the end as it did in the beginning. Boring! "What did we get for all that money??" citizens ask.
And maintenance is harder to budget for in a lump sum because you don't know how bad things are until you actually start the work. This is generally true of maintenance--anyone who has renovated an old home knows this. Until you open the wall, you don't know how much work needs to be done.
So what you do in government is start the maintenance projects you have at highest priority, find out how bad things are, and then do as much as you can with the budget you have. It it's not enough to complete an atomic unit of work, you just sit on partially-done work until more money becomes available.
And ironically, the irritation caused by unfinished work can help get you the money to finish the work.
If maintenance was properly budgeted, then the subway system could afford to do a full refresh all in one continuous go. Usually it's not, so usually they can't.
Most of the housing in smaller cities is getting very old, built to very poor standards. Requiring constant maintenance. The owners often still stuck in 25 year mortgages, fixing houses that will fall apart in less time than that.
Many of Schools haven't been updated in decades, despite having asbestos insulation.
I visited a former Eastern Block country this past summer. New roads, infrastructure and buildings everywhere. Built to a much higher standard too. Much better food in Restaurants too. Thinking of moving back to Europe.
Considering the 300 billion deficit this year alone, declining credit ratting, higher taxes. The money for infrastructure will be hard to come by in the next decade.
Cost of land is a surprisingly high factor.
I'm generally against eminent domain. Because it's abused so easily and so often. But I would also like the option to build our way out of our messes.
Failing to make the real estate more affordable, maybe we'll innovate our way out. Some combination of telework, The Boring Company, and cheap personal transportation options.
The answer is always the same for local governments. ~70% of expenditure is for operations, and 60% of that is for cops and fire.
Counties, corporations, charters, port authorities, states. I couldn't guess at all the structures and financing schemes that have been concocted.
For instance, Port Authority of NY and NJ builds, owns, and operates a massive amount of infrastructure. Completely apart from NYC. The Port Authority in my own region is its own separate nominally democratic fiefdom with its own powers to raise taxes, fees, etc.
"The problem" is whatever the problem always is. Maybe its Capitalism. Maybe its "kickbacks, overregulation, collusion in bidding, and simple "match the budget" bids" It's probably whatever your worldview always points to.
The winner completed it far faster than similar projects, and under projected budget, taking it all in from the bonus. Every day he was slow, he lost money. So the incentives were great, and the winning contractor did a great job. So we have the construction technology and we have the policy technology.
But similar projects frequently take forever. Why is that? We know how to make them fast, cheap, and good, clearly. We know how to set up the incentives on a per-task basis so we will do that as well. So I suspect it is because they actually aren't crucial. So you sell the buyer (the populace) on the price tag based on the supposed importance, but you actually do the work on the real importance. The gap between the two allows for profit for politically connected contractors like Tutor Perini and also for make-work for powerful groups like construction unions. What we don't know is how to set up the incentives such that good per-task incentives will be put in place.
In fact, I'd say that the true importance of any slow project is likely very low. In California, the following projects should not have started:
* CA HSR
* SF Central Line
During their lifetimes they will not yield positive economic utility.
Maybe we can create a marketplace for bidding on infrastructure work job by job and maybe, it could be profitable for everyone. I’m not so sure though.
Sum($Z) >> Sum($Y) with $X paid for my subsidies.
We need construction robots.
But how they get the money and from who is a factor too.
This always happens when real property is taxed rather than commerce, and the amount of land available for development is limited or fixed.
To start with all land is taxed according to its initial assessment, after that revenues can not increase without raising rates and/or further developing parcels to increase their taxable value.
Both of which are unsustainable in the face of any inflation at all.
Each of which have their staunch supporters at odds with the other.
If only rate increases are considered, rate increases will have to outpace inflation or the taxing authority will go bankrupt.
The taxing authority can not be allowed to fail especially since the original purpose of this type tax is for the taxpayer to go bankrupt before the nobility does.
Eventually the _landowner_ will be assessed more tax than the land itself brings in, and will require _owners_ having outsized wealth from other sources, often only multigenerational prosperity will be sufficient.
At the other extreme where revenue growth comes only from further property development, pressure is greatest on undeveloped properties having the biggest upside potential.
New infrastructure is built at the expense of the old, spread more widely, and naturally not yet having future inflated maintenance costs incurred.
Little hand-waving is needed when a tax payer & collector are all prospering over the deal in the short term and there is some plausibility to behave as if future prosperity for all taxpayers will increase at the rate enjoyed by those involved with the development. Surely making costly things easier by then.
Inflation makes it impossible to know for sure anyway.
Mix and match these growing costs across citizenry which is not becoming more prosperous, and eventually there is no discretionary wealth except among the few who overcame the inflationary toll.
Taxing commerce instead of property allows revenue to grow at the rate of real prosperity unlimited. With the risk that revenue will drop when prosperity drops, or the authority will go bankrupt at the same time as the general citizenry in such a case.
Not a realistic risk since the authority will have enough credit to delay its own bankruptcy until after the majority of the citizens are ruined.
I guess the point of view about what kind of tax could ideally fund infrastructure indefinitely depends on whether you are a lowly taxable subject or a high-born guv'nor.
As best I can tell, the author was saying that Lafayette is spending only $150 / ($3300 + $150) =~ 4% of what it needs to spend to maintain its roads and drainage systems. That seems implausible. I wonder whether he has made an odd assumption: "currently, 10% of taxes go to maintenance of infrastructure; thus, if we increase taxes by $3,300, only 10% of the increase will go to maintenance of infrastructure." That odd reasoning might account for his "need to have their taxes increase by $3,300 per year" claim.
In Denmark parcels are often sold for $50-100.000 in popular areas. This gives the town a significant amount of one-shot money.
If they use that one-shot money for running expenses rather than investments (in e.g. subways), then the town will go bankrupt when there are no new buyers of parcels.
It's somewhat like a ponzi scheme.
This is what happened to Mississauga, Canada (a suburb of Toronto): for the last fifty years builders had to pay developer charges which was used to build the initial infrastructure.
However things were constructed in a typical North American, car-centric fashion. Now that most of the available land is covered in large-plot, low-density housing, they kind of realized the money train has reached its destination and they now have to maintain all of this infrastructure.
The same mayor (Hazel McCallion) was re-elected over and over for forty years, and so the same kind of thinking was perpetuated over that time period because no fresh thinking was introduced and things basically ran on inertia. She is often labelled the "Queen of Sprawl".
* https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/how-hazel-mccal...
There are of course some plots left, and over the past few years they've been building medium-density townhomes, as well as more and more mid- and high-rise towers.
* https://www.insauga.com/is-hazel-mccallion-wrong-on-this-hug...
Although it is still implausible, it is certainly possible to miss 95% of the cost if they spend very little on monthly maintenance (ie, under-maintain). Then at some point in the near future, the road will need to be ripped up and replaced. Not cheap.
[1]-[Object.List]: get home; to work, to the shopping center, the Kindergarden, bring the kids to school, find a parking lot... get our everyday stuff done. ^^
That would make the current percentage 150/(330+150) = ~31% not ~4%.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/SF-corruption-scan...
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Edito...
https://www.kqed.org/news/11839531/report-corrupt-sf-officia...
https://la.curbed.com/2020/6/18/21279345/los-angeles-corrupt...
There is local representation but in many states legislative districts are allocated by population not geography so often areas with higher population density have more control.
And, State-wide elections, such as, Governor, Attorney General, state supreme court justices (where elected, such as, WA), initiatives, referendums, and so on, are often dominated by the high population centers.
California's 40 million people have the same representation in the senate as Wyoming's 580 thousand people.
Is California rich enough to pay for its infrastructure projects by itself, or does it need money from other states to do it? If @seattle_spring is right and California doesn't need the money, then the Senate isn't holding anything up. California can proceed unilaterally. Maybe they can even vote for Republicans at the federal level, who won't make them continue to "subsidize rural living" in other states.
But if you're correct that California "need[s] federal funds to keep up with these expenses" then why shouldn't the rural states oppose it when it won't benefit them?
The reality is two-fold.
1) People in dense urban states aren't actually willing to spend this money, they just want to use these issues to get votes for Democrats. That's why they never actually build these things when they have to do it with their own money only.
2) Dense urban states want access to the Federal government's money printing machine. States cannot run structural deficits. But the rural urban states will be on the hook for that debt too.
Everyone opts for federal funding.
The majority of Americans live in suburbs. The majority of counties are rural. https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/05/22/demographic-and-e...
Milwaukee in the 50s and 60s is an example of this. They built a lot of amenities and expanded infrastructure with public funds.
The growth stopped or reversed and there is no money to maintain the same level of services and amenities today. Thus underfunded parks, roads, pipes and museums. Aka, not a strong town but one struggling along.
"Women need to have more babies because our entire economic model is built on growth and doesn't function without it and one of the best ways to grow is increase the population so you increase the taxable base."
You can slice it up however you want. You can bitch and moan about feminism if you're a woman, you can bitch and moan about men's rights if you're a man, but the bottom line is we need a lot more people to pay for all the tab we've run up.
Are they intentionally not meant to last?
Also, with regards to the US interstate system - why is it designed in such a way that any maintenance required a dramatic decrease in travel throughput?
Could it be designed to be functional in ‘maintenance’ mode?
>"An embedded growth obligation is how fast a structure has to grow in order to maintain its honest positions," Weinstein says. "If you have a situation in which you have trial lawyers and they're supported by various associates, and the associates all want to become partners and trial lawyers themselves, then what you have is a situation where the law firm has to grow at a very fast clip if all those people are going to be satisfied with their job decisions. Well, very quickly that ability to grow runs out, and then people want to know, "Why am I stuck in a position going nowhere?"
https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/eric-weinstein-intelle...
The problem with most of suburban America is that it's completely unsustainable. Almost all suburban cities in the US require a constant injection of Federal funds to maintain infrastructure. Most people don't realize this because it's really something politicians score brownie points for, hence the accounting subterfuge they engage in (as mentioned in the article), as do most small cities in the USA.
We have no idea how long this Federal subsidy will be maintain, making it difficult to plan for. So many Americans want this idyllic, unsustainable suburban life-style that no politician will keep their job if they try to "take it away" (read: address the issue). But the longer we wait to build more sustainable cities, the worse things will be during the inevitable implosion.
America needs to be building medium-density, car-adverse cities now. The country can't afford to continue subsidizing driving to the degree that it has post-WWII. If this doesn't happen, most of the country is going to enter a serious depression.
The town I live in recently completed a $20mil sewer treatment plant and is in the process of beginning a $2mil+ project to replace the water lines.
It has approx. 1,600 residents, although the neighboring town is a customer of our sewer plant and they supply our drinking water (even though we are on the river).
I believe, as an investor of municipal bonds, the tax liability is eliminated, so this may be a reason this type of investment is ‘pushed’.
I don't think that most villages are growing. They're usually shrinking slowly as the old inhabitants die and the young leave to cities to find work. It's quite risky to go big and plan for growth when the taxpayer base is likely to shrink 10 years from now.
Typically when building a septic system, it is one per household, not one per family member, though.
A family of four does not need 4 septic tanks.
In comparison to a septic system for a family of 4 running ~12k, but only lasting 15-40 years.
My parents' farm is on a well and septic, and a dirt road. Water purification is done with a UV filter. The infrastructure costs are almost nil.
We are in an age now where houses don't even need to be on the power grid -- a set of solar panels and a lithium battery makes traditional power distribution obsolete.
If it costs a typical suburban house $10k a year to maintain infrastructure, that's outrageous. Move to individually or community based infrastructure.
How? I live in city of chicago and roads here are just terrible, there are potholes everywhere. Chicago Suburbs are a superior in terms of roads, sidewalks ect. Not sure if you are saying that people in city are "just fine" with poor infrastuture ?
How well would such a thing scale, though, especially in a suburban/urban setting? IIRC sceptic systems need a certain amount/type of land to drain correctly, so that wouldn't work particularly well outside of relatively rural areas. Wells might not work beyond a certain population density due to insufficient groundwater recharge rate. And dirt roads still would require maintenance, especially if you want to support nontrivial traffic levels, not to mention relatively high-speed travel.
Isn't agricultural irrigation the largest source of groundwater depletion in places where it's an issue?
I believe basically all water here in Iowa is pulled from groundwater wells. I've never heard of it being something anyone was worried, but we also don't irrigate fields like they do in the Western states.
The main issue I hear about is people worrying about farm chemical runoff getting into the aquifers.
> I believe basically all water here in Iowa is pulled from groundwater wells. I've never heard of it being something anyone was worried, but we also don't irrigate fields like they do in the Western states.
Those are good points; I should have qualified my comment with "depending on location and local groundwater conditions". Evidently wells do work for at least some urban areas, but whether it's a viable option for all, I don't know.
I am sure there are large numbers of lower income people who would be willing to try something other than a crappy apartment in a bad neighborhood if the per-month costs were similar. You'd need to deal with transportation issues (i.e. better buses, shared small electric vehicles or bikes, etcetera) and some other things, but it could be a promising method to explore.
Some people might even be willing to try things like a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine-diverting_dry_toilet (incinerating toilets may be needed instead depending on the area) or agree to lower electricity usage for a reduction in monthly fees, among other things. I've been thinking about this idea for a number of years, and am somewhat surprised we haven't seen efforts toward it yet. Maybe I should do something.
Anecdotally, it seems fairly common for people to have municipal water and their own septic system in more "exurb-y" areas. Two of the people I work with (different states) have that setup.
It seems to be common because water treatment facilities are more efficient at scale, whereas a septic is pretty easy to maintain yourself.
The space requirements are actually a decent amount lower than I originally expected [0, 1], so it could be plausible for individual lots to have their own septic systems (unless the area above the drainfield can't be used for safety/other reasons). Not sure if there are other factors that make centralized waste treatment systems preferable over individual septic systems.
[0]: https://www.washtenaw.org/1722/Sewage-System-Sizing [1]: https://inspectapedia.com/septic/Septic-Drainfield-Size.php
Not with conventional implementations and funding, but yes, scaling is technologically feasible at this time. However in the US, getting people to learn the necessary skills and discipline to maintain such systems to the needed baseline operating standards will remain a significant challenge.
Water collection and sanitation could be automated into a closed-loop system, but I've yet to see a COTS solution. Even if you commercialized it, you just move problems around: there would be a significant waste stream of filtration cartridges to handle when scaled up, for example. Cradle-to-cradle design and implementation of such systems is neither easy nor cheap.
You don't need the portability of lithium chemistry batteries, so I recommend redox flow chemistries, with some kind of solid state magnetohydrodynamic pump if possible.
While there are more active septic designs for smaller properties, they're much more expensive, and require more maintenance to keep running. From speaking with septic engineers and techs over the years, Americans have awful habits in general around sewer systems, and a lot of that keeps the septic industry thriving. A sustainable on-site treatment of human black water into safe compost compliant as EPA Class A biosolids would require people be much more diligent about ensuring pharmaceuticals for example, don't make it into the composting stream and instead go to incineration. Even if people do that, it gets expensive on a small scale. Or we come up with ways to automatically sample and test each individual deposit for pharmaceuticals. Which again, adds expense and more maintenance.
I have no doubt we can engineer the shit out the technical problems. I don't have good solutions for the assholes who are The Reason We Can't Have Nice Things, other than isolate myself into a Dunbar Number of like-minded and build our own systems.
Grids arose for a number of good reasons, and the systems design issues surrounding decoupling from them at scale are pretty thorny.
Cities, small towns and rural locals have different costs. Rural areas maintain more kms of road per home, for example. Power/Data lines also cost more per home. Maybe these won't be necessary in the future, but they are for now. Obsolete is a strong word, still.
Like you though, the $10k price tag seems high to me. Is it really this high for the right reasons?
Honestly, I think it's hard to even discuss this without first understanding how road maintenance (sounds like this is the majority) adds up to $8000 per home.
Similar question with dirt road - how long is the dirt road before it reaches a non-dirt road? How much traffic is on it? If you dispersed a major population center this way and still needed to deliver groceries and ship out garbage and septic, how quickly would any given segment go between needing to be regraded?
The 10k amount doesn't come about because they built a large community and infrastructure. It came because they built their large community in an unwise manner resulting in high infrastructure cost. While moving to individual or smaller communities reduces to possible scope of screwing up your planning, it doesn't reduce your ability to screw it up.
Seriously?
Panels + lithium battery does not yet make "traditional power distribution obsolete". I have a net-zero adobe house with its own grid-tied 6.6kW array. The additional cost at this time of sufficent storage to go off-grid without significant life style changes (none of which would be particularly awful, but still big) is substantial. I have no doubt it will decrease rapidly, but we're not there yet.
Sure, for rural and some kinds of suburban areas, your comments are on point. For rural, they're even more or less the default. For suburban, it can be hard to tell where "community service" would end and "what we do today" would start.
Let's not even start on the argument that not everyone can and wants to live on a farm. Also rural living is probably the most inefficient when it comes to infrastructure.
Its those areas that the article describes as the expensive areas because everything is so spread out.
The farmer is notoriously running around the farm fixing shit in between tending to the crop because living off the grid is hard.
Of course we should build less of it, but we can't unbuild what's already been built, and we can't account for city managers who aren't aware of this future problem.
If someone can solve the problem of the future being here, but being unevenly distributed...
It definitely takes ~10-15 mins longer than if I just drove, but goodness it's just so much more enjoyable. I get to sit and look around at the city I'm in instead of focusing on driving.
I've dragged quite a few friends and family along and most people don't like it because: 1. it takes longer (have to wait for transport to arrive, it makes stops you don't need) 2. "iffy people" are on the streetcar
I laugh a bit at #2 because compared to almost any other non-car transport in the US I've ever seen, the occupants of the streetcar are just comically gentrified. Yeah there's one guy who's probably homeless, but everyone else is clearly out for a business dinner or a bunch of yuppies all dressed up to take the family out to dinner, and so on.
Thanks for bearing through me with this anecdote. But I hope it demonstrates two issues: 1. americans will put up with a lot if it makes their trip any amount shorter 2. americans vastly prefer to be annoyed and in control, versus less annoyed but not in control. e.g. they prefer car traffic where they're "in control" (can honk/drive aggressively?) vs waiting for public transport to arrive or waiting at stops they don't need 3. americans associate public transport with lower classes, the poor and homeless.
It'll take a lot of work to flip these around.
People I work with argued that it was a bad idea because the restaurants would lose business because now there is less parking, and it just blows my mind that not being able to park directly in front of a restaurant is a deal breaker. Isn't the whole appeal of a city's downtown area to walk around a bit and look up at all the skyscrapers?
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2017/1/10/poor-neighborh...
And in this one, a link to another interesting explanation:
https://www.strongtowns.org/curbside-chat-1/2015/12/14/ameri...
Strong towns I'm pretty sure intentionally chooses it's rhetoric to try to be more Republican compatible. (Strength, budgets, irresponsibility, etc.) But ultimately they are asking for a big pile of federal dollars, to rebuild cities/towns to be more compact and efficient, just like most everyone left of center.
I think it's good to point out we shouldn't just densify everything --- we already use too much land area. Some places need to densified, and others need to de-densified (remove housing and use for other purpose).
No, not really. They focus a lot on "try things out" at small scale, see what works, and improving a city's cash inflow vs outflow.
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2019/9/19/the-strong-tow...
https://www.pnj.com/story/news/2020/04/29/coronavirus-studer...
A strong line of critique has been, "City A" knocks down a "blighted" business zone and replaces it with a single business w/ large parking lot & grass everywhere- but when you examine the financials, the new business brings less revenues to the city than the old "blighted" corner mall.
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2012/1/2/the-cost-of-aut...
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/8/22/the-more-we-gr...
At least they agree that some up-front spending to reconfigure spaces to be more economically sustainable is necessary, if not that a big pile of federal dollars all at once is the way to do it.
Is this true? How variable is this between cities? How determined is it? Could it be less, how, etc.?
IDK if this number is normal or out of line, but I think this needs to be the starting point. My uneducated opinion is that it seems high.
The problem with wide spread innumeracy is random numbers can be printed for propaganda or other purposes and the vast majority of people will simply accept them. Combined with sophistry techniques such as anecdote proves the general rule, etc.
Ironically, while people get in arms about how the federal budget is being spent almost no one knows what’s going on in their city or county budget. And that determines your quality of life just as much.
(and for the cousin comment: PfP yes, NATO no.)
At this point I can't tell if the politicians fund the DOD because they want to, or because they're afraid of the lengths it might go to protect its cashflow.
2020 US defense spending $0.636B or 16%.
That’s the lion’s share?
mrep, you're either misinforming me, or you're misinformed. That 3.2% that you named doesn't cover domestic military spending (Homeland Security, FBI, NSA) nor does it cover pensions for widows and retirees, nuclear weapons research, nuclear waste disposal, nuclear weapon manufacturing, interest on war debts, the VA. Factoring in these costs actually puts military spending second on your list: 993.8 Billion Dollars, just 7 billion shy of the trillion we spent on social security. We now have a growing number of "civilians" in the military too; these private contractors help to make military spending look smaller than it really is.
And keep in mind the military budget has only grown since 9/11 never shrinking. We're still blowing up Yemen, Somalia, the Levant and Afghanistan as I type this, after already blowing up Iraq, Libya and Pakistan over a period of 20 years. It's expensive.
Sure, the US pays a lot for defense, but is that money well spent? Did the EU benefit from the US invasion of Korea? Probably not. Vietnam? Also no. Iraq? Afghanistan? In all these cases, certainly no.
Here is a video [0] of the borders of European countries over the last 1500 years. There is potentially a correlation behind their stability since 1945 (11:16 in the video) and the US having a number of troops stationed in Germany comparable to the German army.
It is debatable whether it was all to do with the US; but the circumstantial evidence is substantial. The border redrawings may resume one day.
If some other security also increases, that's a nice bonus.
And then obviously as a result of acting as a third party security guarantor deterring internal conflict, the EU exists.
This is totally absurd. Do you seriously see Iraq or Afghanistan as balanced? Or are you using 'rebalancing' in the same way I could use 'rebalancing' to describe flipping a table?
The second sentence is also ridiculous. The EU stops the EU from having internal conflicts. That's the original purpose of the union. I don't know what the US has to do with it.
The current post soviet (& fledgling post ME) situation actually is relatively “free” though, there is an absolutely massive amount of inertia in place.
That is the nature of politics.
(1) borrow to fund infrastructure spending; and focus that into new local jobs and economic activity
(2) A boosted economy will allow higher taxes to be collected
(3) Better infrastructure will attract investment
But in this scenario, politicians will skip step 2 because it's unpopular; and the cycle will continue in a future generation.
And how many human-hours a month do people in Lafayette twiddle away on corporate busywork so they can pay that interest?
In this case, the problem will fix itself, because suburbs are the Cold War creation, they can be seen as a compulsory wartime measure. Provided that relationship with China will not reach Cold War standoff levels, they will cease to exist by themselves, because modern people really don't want to live in them.
It's to even really true in cities that people perceive to be growing and vital. New York City, for example, would be shrinking if it wasn't for the influx of foreign immigrants: https://zicklin.baruch.cuny.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/....
> The City of New York grew by over 362,000 residents between 2010 and 2016, a growth rate of 4.4% (Table 1). City officials consider this to be among the strongest periods of growth in the last half century (NYC Planning, 2017a). The population grew by 402,000 people through natural increase, and net foreign migration added an additional 500,000 residents. Net domestic migration was -524,000, as more people moved out of the city than moved in.
At least in the US, I doubt this is true, by and large. Given the sheer number of people in them, it seems to strain credulity that most don't want to.
Corruption is most definitely a factor, maybe not universal, but I have seen it. In my city a developer got approval for the first stage of new houses, about 130, and the county planning agency gave approval for the second stage conditional upon the developer building a bridge to allevate traffic. After the first stage was complete the county commissioners voted to pick up the cost of the bridge and the only explanation was the developer did not have the funds and the commissioners thought the second stage housing would be be an economic benefit to the community.
Why does infrastructure seem to work in Western Europe? Even little towns in Germany have good roads, water, electricity etc.
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2019/3/18/what-happens-w...
Usually the tax values of properties are available to the public, as well as digital maps of plots. You can combine the two to do a coarse analysis of how much each property is worth per acre.
Urban 3, the firm that did the analysis in the article, goes much further and includes things like where people take trips and which roads are the most valuable, that sort of thing. But even a basic analysis can be quite telling.
From what I can tell, cities have very poor cost control, and regularly pay platinum prices for lead. And they end up not even getting lead.
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> It's a predicament that nearly every American city, with very few exceptions, finds itself in.
Does anyone know some of the American cities that don't follow this pattern?
(Yes this post is from a few years ago, but it does provide a good example of the principles from the colorblindness post.)
The concept of gaining public revenues mainly from land and natural
resource privileges was widely popularized by Henry George through his
first book, Progress and Poverty (1879)...
Economists since Adam Smith and David Ricardo have observed that a public
levy on land value does not cause economic inefficiency, unlike other
taxes. A land value tax also has progressive tax effects. Advocates of
land value taxes argue that they would reduce economic inequality, increase
economic efficiency, *remove incentives to underutilize urban land* and
reduce property speculation.
Unfortunately most Americans have not heard of it, and it would probably be labeled socialism by elites if it was brought up seriously.Metro NY may be an easy target, but like the author of this post, I believe this is happening in many towns and cities across the US. We need to get smart about our growth and take politicians who promise grand infrastructure programs to task. Just look at Trump's Infrastructure Week boon dogle or Biden's now non-existent promise of national high-speed rail. Now these hollow promises would have been growth for the public good, not just the local pols and developers.
Also, do you think the people will just abandon their land if no one else buys it? "Nature" won't pay for it. They bought it from someone else and will therefore expect to be paid before relinquishing it.
I think its a total institutional failure - and neither Republican or Democrat have a solution.
From my personal perspective, China seems to be much more capitalist than the United States. And we have embraced extreme regulation preventing us from doing anything at all.