UK supermarket Tesco sets 300% sales target for plant-based alternatives to meat
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Lots of stuff you eat right now is probably plant-based or easily convertible by substituting in regular vegetables e.g. curries, burritos, chilli, lasagne, pizza, sandwiches, pasta, stir fries, bean burgers, soups, stews, fries, cereals, cakes, breads etc.
Could you really not enjoy a pasta dish without meat (think tomatoes, mushrooms, olives, basil, garlic, capers)? Is it the taste of chicken you really enjoy in a chicken curry or is it more about the spices and the textures?
Ever notice you flavour almost every meat dish with lots of vegetable products and spices (e.g. people say chicken is tasteless without flavourings)? You can try the same flavourings on vegetables too without having to look for meat alternatives.
However these plant based alternatives are getting pretty damn good for when you want some comfort food or a classic bbq.
Check out the joy a vegan finds in realising how many naturaly vegan dishes (i.e. dishes traditionally made without any animal products) can be found in Greek cuisine:
https://www.thenomadicvegan.com/the-nomadic-vegans-guide-to-...
I’ve got great news: Greece is full of delicious vegan food! You will find a huge selection of naturally vegan dishes in traditional Greek cuisine.
This can be partly attributed to the nature of Mediterranean cuisine in general, which generally emphasizes fresh fruits and vegetables and uses meat only sparingly.
In the case of Greece, though, there is an additional reason for all the veggie-friendly dishes: religion. The calendar of the Greek Orthodox Church contains more than 180 fasting days, including every Wednesday and Friday as well as longer periods lasting several weeks, like the weeks leading up to Christmas and Easter. And the diet followed on fasting days is, as it turns out, not far from a vegan diet.
So I guess it's revelatory for some people to realise that they "flavour almost every meat dish with lots of vegetable products and spices", but in much of the world that sounds like a really odd thing to say. Because, I mean, duh?
Edit: and if I sound a bit dismissive of your comment, I apologise but I'm a bit fed up with hearing how "we" should stop eating so much meat and "we" should adopt a plant-based diet, when that is exactly what I've had for all of my life, a plant-based diet. It seems to me that, as usual, some countries lead the trend for industrial farming and it's the populations of those countries that should change their ways. For myself, I'm not going to give up the meat I eat once or twice a week because some people across half a continent or half a world can't sit down to eat unless they're served a burger or a steak. You're the ones who have caused the mess we're in. You fix it. You know very well who you are.
Hmm, meat consumption in Greece has went from 21kg to 72kg per person per year in the last 50 years. The USA is at 124kg, UK is 80kg, France is at 83kg and Spain is at 100kg. That's not a huge difference, and poorer countries want to catch up as they get richer:
The problem is, this is a global trend: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47057341
Who are we to tell e.g. India and China (about 3 billion people in total) to eat less meat as they grow richer?
Or perhaps it's more complex than what it looks and the reason why Greeks, Indians, Chinese, etc eat more meat as they become more affluent is because their affluence attracts mass industries like industrial farming. In which case it's not a genuine consumer demand to eat more meat but just an effect of there being more of it available and at a cheap price.
It reminds me of a food eureka moment a couple of decades ago when I was round for dinner with the family a friend who's a farmer. They served boiled potatoes that they'd dug up earlier that day and I suddenly remembered that potatoes could actually taste of something other than the oil / butter / salt that you cook them in or flavour them with.
Edit: I presume part of the reason for "plant-based alternatives to meat" is that it's much more difficult to commoditise simple vegetables. I can think of plenty of plant-based alternatives to meat and they're... plants. Potatoes, carrots, aubergines, courgettes, cavolo nero, broccoli...
Yes, I was more thinking about when people get chicken nuggets or fast food burgers. The meat is probably only adding some texture and most of the taste is from the spices, so why does it need to have meat?
I feel people demand meat on principle instead of really thinking about why they're eating something. Most of the time they're not eating meat for health reasons either, despite the usual arguments coming up like B12 and protein that can't be backed up.
However, I do see a place for meat substitutes as an option for "veggie curious" consumers who want to move away from meat consumption. If you're used to grilling hamburgers with the family every Saturday afternoon, meat substitutes provide a 1-for-1 option that requires no more thought that grabbing a different package at the grocer.
The switch to actual vegetables (or even tofu) takes a bit more thought. Tofu isn't usually tasty on it's own (but is fantastic when cooked with other flavors). And for somebody reared on beef and pork, learning to cook vegetables as the main ingredient takes time and new recipes.
I'm going to try to avoid including meat where it doesn't really add anything.
If you experiment, you might find you actually miss the texture if you swap it with a different texture (like a burger with a bread-like texture probably isn't going to be great even if it had the same taste). So sometimes the plant-based alternative is really trying to replicate a texture that's pleasing for that dish (like something that tears, or is gooey, or spongey), or maybe something that absorbs the sauce a certain way etc.
It's common to hear people say "why do vegans give up meat but want to eat meat?" - sometimes it's just about finding a replacement that has some properties that are similar, like the texture.
I was thinking about stuff like curries, pasta sauces, etc. I routinely use lots of chicken and beef for stuff like that, but I think it's mostly out of habit.
It's so hard to make make sauces with e.g. chicken or beef strips cooked just right so that they're juicy/delicious/salted just right - I still fail most of the time after doing it like 100+ times.
Using fattier cuts is easy, but I wanted to master making a juicy/properly-seasoned dish from lean proteine. I don't think I can, as a hobby cook.
> I was thinking about stuff like curries, pasta sauces, etc. I routinely use lots of chicken and beef for stuff like that, but I think it's mostly out of habit.
If you mean you'd prefer something where you know what all the ingredients are, try soy mince (it's just shredded soy, which has a texture like ground beef that absorbs flavours) and wheat-gluten/seitan (it's just regular flour with everything washed away but the gluten - has a chicken like texture with more protein than steak).
> It's so hard to make make sauces with e.g. chicken or beef strips cooked just right so that they're juicy/delicious/salted just right - I still fail most of the time after doing it like 100+ times.
Seitan is challenging like that but it's fun trying.
Oh no! Processed seed oils! Give me a fucking break, we pump cows so full of hormones 8 year old girls are getting their periods [0].
Let's have some moral and factual clarity around the issue here, Vegetarians and Vegans are about the last people to argue processed foods are good, but we should keep our eyes on the prize: modern meat farming is awful for everyone involved. If you don't like it then don't eat it.
[0] https://www.centerforhealthjournalism.org/2016/06/22/precoci....
Who is "we"? The EU has banned the use of hormones in farm animals for growth promotion since 1981 and for most other uses in subsequent years:
In 1981, with Directive 81/602/EEC, the EU prohibited the use of substances having a hormonal action for growth promotion in farm animals. Examples for these kind of growth promoters are oestradiol 17ß, testosterone, progesterone, zeranol, trenbolone acetate and melengestrol acetate (MGA).
https://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/chemical_safety/meat_hormon...
Note also (same link):
The United States and Canada contested the prohibition of the use of hormones as growth promoters in food producing animals, and in 1997 a panel of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) ruled that the EU measure was not in line with the Agreement on the Application of Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures (SPS).
Eventually the EU was forced to accept importation of meat from animals treated with hormones.
In any case, there's no "we". Some countries do what you say, but not all.
I should clarify that my point has less to do with hormones specifically and more about how this comment section is applying a double standard of healthiness to meat alternatives generally. When it comes to industrial meat production if it ain’t one thing it’s another: feed quality/chemicals, handling/sale of diseased meat, animal waste on food, antibiotic use, etc.
It is also worth noting that as we speak the UK seems to be reconsidering it’s ban of hormones in meat as part of Brexit with pressure from the US.
Industrial meat production is shameful, cruel, harmful to health and the environment and it should absolutely be replaced with something else- but that something else can't be another food industry stuffing us full of over-processed, well, shit (apologies - but this is really the best way to say what I mean).
>> It is also worth noting that as we speak the UK seems to be reconsidering it’s ban of hormones in meat as part of Brexit with pressure from the US.
Unfortunately, yes.
To quote the article, girls did not menstruate until 17-18 three centuries ago... because they were starving.
The only thing to pay attention to, really, is B12. We all need it and even meat eaters should probably take a supplement.
I'm not sure why people would be interested to consume meat grown in a lab considering all the unknowns/risks.
Which ones? In general, most food-borne illnesses are a result of either faecal contamination, diseased animals, or poor post-production handling. 'Lab-grown' meat should be generally free of the first two. Obviously nothing's perfect, but it should in general be much easier to avoid contamination than in a slaughterhouse.
There is a risk of contamination in a lab as well and to be honest I don't understand why this kind of food is not subject to clinical trials. Some people(at least in the EU) try to avoid food resulted from livestock injected with hormones or other syntetic chemicals. Now you tell them to eat food grown(with hormones) in a lab.
I can't give you a good source on the subject so below is the first google result.
"most of the studies on safety are done or supported by the companies themselves.”
"It’s also long been known that breast cancer risk increases with higher lifetime exposure to estrogen. These facts have led many to question whether the continued use of synthetic estrogens in livestock is safe."
"The effects are very hard to study, experts say, because hormones are naturally present in both food and our bodies. Plus, the effects could be subtle and take years to show up."
https://www.webmd.com/diet/features/safer-food-healthier-you
Sure, but if it happens you can detect, determine what the problem was with the process, and fix it. With a slaughterhouse, you can reduce levels of contamination, certainly, but eliminating it is probably impractical; a certain risk is inherent to the process.
> and to be honest I don't understand why this kind of food is not subject to clinical trials
Right now, lab grown meat is effectively not commercially available, and being treated as a weird experimental thing. If it does become commercially available, it will presumably be subject to significant regulation.
> Some people(at least in the EU) try to avoid food resulted from livestock injected with hormones or other syntetic chemicals
Generally growth hormones for farm animals are _illegal_ in the EU. And you could reasonably expect similar rules to come in for any synthetic meat that might be available.
Just look at the chemical cocktail that's in any off- the- shelf "meat alternative" products. No way do I want that stuff in my body.
If Tesco, or any big retailer was honest about increasing sustainability, they'd be focusing on how to decentralize warehousing and shipping, and a simple solution is to support local farming. Unfortunately, the world doesn't operate this way, and we're stuck with this need to purchase food from far flung parts of the world.
We have a plethora of options available today that don’t require an animal dying or suffering and yet we still turn to mass killings to feed our desires. Humans really are at the bottom of the pyramid.
They are not only would rather think that it is better for a cow to die than to live some time, but also ..
..they would spread the idea that maybe humanity would better off going extinct..
And this idea genocidal idea can lead to things similar to what was done by different totalitarian streams of 20th century: Nazism, fascism, communism.
J.B.Peterson talks about this quite interestingly. But "woke" folks dont like him ;)
https://groceries.asda.com/cmslisting/content/event?N=102737...
I have tried their 'Vegan Vegetable Fingers' and they are quite nice. However, I suspect many of these foods still count as 'processed foods'. Some consumers might mistakenly think they are healthy because they are plant-based (and the packaging will re-enforce that).
Here are the ingredients for the 'Vegan Vegetable Fingers' - would you buy these based on these ingredients? Or would the ingredients put you off?
- Vegetables (51%) [Carrots, Sweetcorn, Peas, Onions, Potatoes]
- Fortified Wheat Flour [Wheat Flour, Calcium Carbonate, Iron, Niacin (B3), Thiamin (B1)]
- Water
- Sunflower Oil
- Potato Flakes, Maize Starch, Wheat Gluten
- Salt, Sugar
- Rye Flour, Yeast Extract
- Pea Fibre
- Garlic Powder, Onion Powder, Yeast, White Pepper, Tomato Powder, Red Pepper Powder, Parsley, Flavouring, Sage, Black Pepper Extract, Sage Extract
https://groceries.asda.com/product/nuggets-fingers/asda-plan...
Looks fine to me. I recognise all the individual ingredients and many home cooking recipes have ingredient lists as long as this (a chicken curry might have 20 ingredients for example).
I'm not really sure what problem you're implying there is here. It seems like a poor example if you're trying to say "not everything vegan is healthy" which nobody is saying anyway. Nobody eats vegan chocolate trying to lose weight, but they might do it to help with climate change and reduce animal suffering.
I personally wouldn't eat it in place of meat (or at all) because of the wheat/gluten content. We do have some meat substitutes in the US that are gluten free (Impossible Burger) that tastes ok and has reasonable mouth-feel.
Besides, like I said, that's just one example.
You're correct. I should have said, most people steam their veggies when they're looking to get the full nutritional value.
The main place where this might be a concern is canning (similar to using a pressure cooker).
https://www.beyondmeat.com/about/our-ingredients/
> OUR FATS: Cocoa Butter • Coconut Oil • Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil
Food being plant-based or natural does not automatically make it more healthy.
When the sales of this vegan category is $1 today the target will be reached by $3.
Ok could be sloppy reporting of the Guardian but also the press release of Tesco [0] doesn't mention amount of sales in a valuta. The Guardian almost did a one on one copy pasta here.
Meat replacers are much more expensive sometimes with a markup of 300% compared to meat. When measuring the environment effects of meat replacer sales, committing to a weight goal would even be more transparent so the public knows how much damage is prevented by Tesco.
[0] https://m.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/TESCO-PLC-4000540/n...
That said, I'm not sure how bad the environmental overhead is. The main source of protein in these things is often either soya or peas. Soya is a bit of a tossup depending on where it's grown; it can be either very good or very bad (though probably still less bad than meat). Peas are generally pretty low overhead; in particular, they're nitrogen fixing (as are soybeans), so need less fertiliser.
A lot of people know that meat has a high environmental footprint, and people are becoming aware of how poorly animals can be treated by factory farming.
Those people are looking to reduce their meat consumption, and these products are a crutch to allow that to happen.
To belive you can "add a vitamin here and there" and that that makes it a real nutrititious food equivalent of meat is laughably bad scienece, but people for some reason don't seem to get that.
Also, male fertility rates are crashing, but it's definitely not related to ever increasing intake of phytoestrogens...
Fertility rates are crashing because men are getting massively fat.
It makes me sad that we were about the evidence before but seeding the desired answers now.
My country (Croatia) went from an average of ~20kg of meat per year per person (~1990s) to ~70kg of meat per year per person in 30 years. The amount of calories is obviously massively different. The mediterranean diet in Croatia is dead.
People are getting obese and getting diseases that come with obesity (heart disease, diabetes etc.). Meat is not to blame, it's people eating massive amounts of calories, living an unhealthy sedentary lifestyle.
CICO model works for healthy people. For those with metabolic disease (diabetes and similar) it might not work completely.
I do not understand how soy is then to blame for phytoestrogen content when people consume more beer in their life than soy products.
That is the only reason why I mentioned beer. I do not believe phytoestrogens have any effect on male hormones.
It's quite known that getting obese has a massive effect on male hormones. The mehanistic/metabolism effect is known. We know why obese men become infertile, why they grow breasts (gynecomastia) and all the other effects of obesity.
Correct, it is not.
also garbage, so not dissimilar.
so I was saying they were similar, agreeing with you.
What's TVP? It's processed soy flour. It's what makes up 100% of most meat alternatives on the market. So I'm not sure what point you thought you were making, but you're reinforcing the OP's argument.
Edit: Typo.
"The UK’s largest supermarket will on Tuesday commit to boosting sales of meat alternatives by 300% within five years, by 2025."