The remote viewing stuff was a bit silly, but the MKUltra stuff included a lot of very unethical human experimentation. These two things are not really in the same category in terms of scandal.
Anyone not familiar with the program would do well to spend a couple minutes on the summary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
And of course it served as the template for how to deal with the Abu Ghraib fallout:
Given the CIA's purposeful destruction of most records, its failure to follow informed consent protocols with thousands of participants, the uncontrolled nature of the experiments, and the lack of follow-up data, the full impact of MKUltra experiments, including deaths, may never be known.This is one of those moments when I started to feel shock and horror shifting towards disbelief, and then remembered that this is the CIA and of course they did stuff like that because who would stop them?
One of those little examples of how journalism really is one of the last bulwarks between the country we want to think we are and the country we very easily could be.
The CIA's work on LSD wasn't the worst thing going on and - surprisingly to me - the intelligence agencies were far from the worst. Eg, there was a Sloan-Kettering Institute researcher who injected live cancer cells into unwitting humans through out the 1950s and 60s[2]. Or in 1952 a Detroit Hospital administered radioactive iodine to premature babies, and fed it via a tube to healthy non-premature babies. Or the doctor who administered 100 or more rads of radiation after forging consent forms.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentatio...
https://theintercept.com/2019/11/24/cia-mkultra-louis-jolyon...
Highly recommend Tom O'Neill's 'CHAOS' for some of the new details he dug up on MKULTRA. The rumor mill has it that he is working on a new book exploring its potential ties to the RFK assassination, the Grateful Dead, and the Jonestown massacre.
On the subject of the Jonestown/MKULTRA links, also check out this interview with an aide to Congressman Leo Ryan (who was killed when he went to investigate in Guyana): https://twitter.com/gumby4christ/status/1289361962917191681
Wild conspiracy theories help cover up actual conspiracy and malfeasance.
The stuff you are referencing is definitely not impossible, but it’s unproven and likely unprovable and is mixed in with a lot of trash. We have enough documented stuff about the government meddling with the counterculture (e.g. COINTELPRO) that we don’t need to make shit up or chase phantoms.
I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you believe the principal actors in the publicly known and acknowledged aspects of MKULTRA were not held to account because of 'wild conspiracy theories' which had little traction outside fringe newsletters in the 1970s when MKULTRA came to some semblance of public light? Do you believe the general public would be more aware and educated about these abuses if not for the existence of those theories?
There's nothing outside hard facts in any of what Tom O'Neill has printed, so you can save your charges that I am "making shit up" or "chasing phantoms." The idea that he is exploring connections to the other historical events I mentioned is so far just rumor, but rumor to which O'Neill himself has lent some credence on his own Twitter page: https://twitter.com/chaosmansonbook/status/12990091441424179... https://twitter.com/chaosmansonbook/status/12990005775952486...
Everyone already knows the standard narrative line that "MKULTRA was a temporary, discontinued, and largely unsuccessful program, which like COINTELPRO was ended (we promise!) when documentary evidence of it was brought to light." I don't see how informed, fact-based speculation that there may be more to it than that does anything to 'cover up' or absolve the people involved.
Surely just a coincidence that the cult leader of ISIS was at that same prison ....
The studies, Ganzfeld experiments, said once you learn if you were right or not, your skill improves a little. For some reason young students from Julliard had the highest scores. The test was 4 possible pictures iirc and you must guess the picture another person is looking at.
In a meta-analysis over 25 Ganzfeld experiments, where the design enabled the test subject to guess right in 25 percent of the cases, the overall hit rate was 37 percent. The odds for this to happen by chance is about a trillion to one, clearly showing that there has to exist something else than coincidence that enables the test subjects to perceive the telepathically transferred image. When artistically gifted musicians from the Julliard School in New York City were tested, they were even able to produce a hit rate as remarkable as 75 percent. [24,36,44]
In a meta-analysis of 653 formal sessions and 126 nonformal sessions of remote viewing, conducted at Princeton University from 1976 to 1999, the overall results gave a significant result with odds against chance of 33 million to one that it was possible for an individual to receive sensory impressions from a distant location. [38-43]
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You can check out the Applied precognition project. this group brings together many of the well-known and prominent researchers and I suppose former government practitioners. and also permits I think members of public to get involved in regular taskings.