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Show HN: The Internet Portal – Warp to a Random Website, Using ICANN CZDS Data

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Not every domain registry's zone files are available through CZDS, unfortunately.

Not every domain listed in a zone file represents a "website".

Choosing a random domain from a zone file and prefixing it with "http://" and having PHP send a GET request certainly does not have a 100% chance of returning a web page.

(Might be interesting to calculate the probability.)

Seems like the author is not even filtering out A records corresponding to the NS entries in the zone files, e.g., something like a.ns.domain.tld

Sending a GET request to such subdomains is obviously not going return a web page.

As for clicking the button over 200 million times (assuming the total domains listed in the zone files is 200 million), that might violate the ICANN Zone File Access Agreement. Unless the terms have changed, one of the restrictions used to be against redestributing the data. This project would not be redistribution of the IP address data but if the user logs the names there's an argument it could be redistribution of the name data.

To "click the button" once from the command line

   curl -s https://theinternetportal.net/php/button.php
   echo

It's true that this doesn't list all the websites that are registered, nor do all the domains lead to a working website. However, I think that most of the invalid websites are not caused by NS entries. As for the Zone File Access Agreement, it prohibits uses that allow the access of a significant portion of the data. An immense amount of time would have to be spent scraping data to get any portion that could be considered significant.

Also, there are alternative, publicly accessible ways to get most of this public zone file data now, so I am not sure that restriction in the access agreement is anything more than an historical artifact at this point.

You could use publicly available scan data for ports 80 and 443 to pare down the list of "websites".

The goal of exposing the non-popular web is worthwhile.

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback!

You could port scan the entire IPV4 address space(minus all reserved addresses), send a GET request to everyone that responds, filter for valid HTML. It would take no more than 5 hours on a shitty PC, a lot less if you get a small aws instance.

Most non-major sites are on shared hosting. Without a host name, you won't get anything useful unfortunately.

Most major site are on shared hosting. (Sadly)

I started this project after doing some research about how DNS works and learning about the CZDS, where any interested individual can request access to DNS zone files. I realized that I could turn this into a website, especially since I couldn't find anything similar on the internet. I used their Python API to download all the zone files, then wrote a Python script to scrape them into one file with only the domain names. I then stored these in a MySQL database on my web server, and used AJAX + PHP to retrieve and redirect to the domain. One thing I think is cool about this is that it gives you a sense of the websites that constitute most of the internet, not just the most popular ones. And unless you've clicked the button over 200 million times, you are almost certainly going to get a website you've never seen before.

Thank you for this.

I'm glad you like it!

how do you get access to those CZDS files?

https://czds.icann.org/home

It would be cool if, before redirecting, you detected parking pages and internally spun again.

I’ve clicked several times and keep hitting parking sites.

I wonder if it was just chance or due the growth of the internet, but over half the sites I got were in Chinese. I found that really interesting, since the Chinese side of the internet is usually so far removed from the English-speaking world, and we have no idea how the internet is growing or being used over there.

Was unconvinced of the value of this until I found I site where my bliss was 100% guaranteed.

https://brothersetup.online/

Most didn't work and when it did well wtf is this http://ngazzokah.org/

My first reaction was "hey, this is Dutch, I understand this".

Well, the landing page is a very long list of statements about ngazz. Apparently ngazz is, was, remains, excites, grabs by the throat, stirs, laughs, and a lot of other things. One of these "ngazz" is a link to the actual page. It's some small blog/ promo page for ngazz, a band playing a fusion of rock and jazz.

I tried literally 20 times in a row with no actual website as a result. Did I get super unlucky or is the web really this rotted?

I got 12 sites in 40 clicks, and some of those I still wasn’t sure. I think it really is!

I did "Jump In"s for about 10 minutes. Thought I'd provide some feedback.

I <3 the idea. I've personally wanted to see something like this for a while as I continuously visit the same 10 sites every day (as do most people).

Some feedback for the next iteration:

- Maybe ping sites first to see if they're down before jumping? I hit a few 500 and 404s during my jumps. - Possibly show "content" sites? Said another way - I jumped into a few business pages XD (lawyers, doctors, and such) and those aren't the most interesting.

UX and speed all seem pretty decent. Thanks for sharing

Thanks for the feedback! I'm thinking about ways to prevent loading broken websites. I'm not sure it's possible to filter for only a certain type of website though, I think there are way too many sites for that.

I would say 75%+ of all the working sites were parked or expired pages. I would suggest to remove or re-redirect any sites that resolve to known registrar parking page IPs (perhaps only assuming if these IPs are distinct from their webhosting cluster IPs, where actual webhosting customer websites might live). That might be a good start to at least prune a lot of the parked sites.

I love this type of sites. I tried another some years ago.

After four dead ends and one "under construction" I was brought to http://chimneysweepnews.com/

This is exactly the type of thing I had no idea existed, have no interest in, but seeing it out there still makes me smile.

Many of the sites understandably timeout or can't be resolved, or are just "under construction" or parking pages. However, I did come across this Japanese site: http://mottainou.com/

For some reason the topic, design, and color scheme makes me very nostalgic.

For those who can't read Japanese, the site is about a small-scale organic farm in Daisen Town, Tottori prefecture.

Very nice, but out of 5 I tried 4 were dead sites, and 1 asked for a login straight away.

Maybe ping the sites and only return active ones?

I'm currently working on a way around this similar to what you suggested.

I ended up on 8sectnformats.online, which redirects to https://www.google.com/#spf=1600155592494. I couldn't find anything about them online. Does anyone know what they were?

This is fun, my first jump was to a fruit I didn’t know existed, and apparently is very healthy. It suspiciously does look 100% like black currant ;)

https://www.lifebrook.com/tonyd/

They're not related, but the common name for Aronia is chokeberry, which should give you some idea of the unprocessed taste.

That doesn’t sound really enticing! Chokeberries. Is it weird if I am getting curious about the taste now?

I really got my hopes up while http://alieninterviews.com/ was loading, but alas it was just a parked domain.

Half of the sites were basically offline. Amusingly, I found that "Ma' Business Adviser Services DOT COM!" is now available, although it might actually be intended for Massachusetts.

I'm surprised at how many Asian gambling websites I've stumbled on. I'd have imagined more pornography.

I guess we need to change the song. The internet is for gambling~

I seem to have ended up at a chinese sports-betting site https://1958abcd.com/

How come when I go to the new site, uMatrix lists theinternetportal.net as part of the loading (with an "Other" object)?

Edit: This only happened on the first site.

The ultimate rabbit hole. :-) For me it ended up being a good reminder of web design through the years. Even found a real life <marquee> tag.

My first result was a Chinese porn website. Thank goodness I'm at home and not at work right now. You may wish to add a disclaimer about that.

There already is.

Oh, right, I see it now. It wasn't visible straight away on my phone.

Cool idea, I did have a little trouble with dead domains, but nothing to drastic.

Also, I love the visual design on your landing page.

Thanks! I don't have very much experience with web design, but I did my best.

Such a great idea! Reminds me of the internet before bubbles a la physically printed indexes and yahoo directories.

I just see a spinning purple saw blade of death, and nothing further happens. Left it for about a minute.

Some links won't work, and that's unavoidable. I'm working on a way to redirect to another site if the first one is broken. In the mean time, just press the button again for a new link.

Nothing appears to be loading. It's not like my browser is trying to connect to something that doesn't exist. Just tried again a bunch of times.

You must click the button each time to request a website. The loading page is just a placeholder, so reloading that page will not bring you anywhere. I'm not sure if that's what you were doing, but hopefully that helps.

I rolled the dice three times and got two parked domains and a domain squatter. How was your luck?

I found a site that made me think of Microsoft FrontPage: http://www.bichonfrise.ws/

HTML 4.01 Transitional and table layouts FTW!

Did it a few times, all I got were ads and dead links. Maybe implement a filtering system?

Yes, I'm thinking about a way to implement that. It's too many domains to filter in advance, but it might be possible to redirect the user to a new site if the current one is dead.

Cool :)

Here are my results for 10 tries:

Unreachable/dead site: 6

Domain squatter: 2

Partially broken, but actual website: 1

Working website: 1

On my third try I got google.com. What is the chance of that!

The internet needs more stuff like this!

clicked ten times, not a single porn happened. I'm shocked.

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