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Really? GoodReads reviews have devolved to complete garbage. The first few pages of reviews are always from the same people trying to be GoodReads famous.

Everyone gives everything 5-star reviews because they get more likes for positive reviews. The user reviews mean nothing. I'd like to have a way to see what people actually think about books. But on GoodReads that's almost impossible to find.

I'm surprised there isn't a rotten tomatoes for books. I've considered starting it myself, but I don't see much money to be made from it. Maybe that's why...

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Interesting point about reviewers skewing positive for popularity. My big issue with most recommendation engines is that they're biased towards false positives rather than false negatives. The other way would lead to fewer, more focused recommendations.

In particular, I'd like to see an engine take a reviewer's dislikes into account more. If someone likes (switching to film for an accessible example) Cinderella, The Little Mermaid and Mulan, their opinion on Brave isn't going to carry much information as they're pretty indiscriminate about Disney films. But if they love Mulan, dislike Little Mermaid and hate Cinderella, their opinion on Brave is more likely to line up with my own.

The "smile or die" mentality propagated by sites like FB, where you only have likes but no dislikes, is throwing half the information away. I think it stems from a misguided desire to avoid adversity.

Or possibly, it stems from becoming "super reviewers", and then being paid to review works for compensation?

Or the thought that such things, if not happening, may happen? Just like on Amazon and other sites?

I would think that the challenge is to find good recommenders rather than specific recommendations.

If I can find similar tastes, maybe a little bit different, then that will result in good recommendations.

So I would want to find people who both like similar things but also dislike similar things. It will be interesting to find people my similarity and see which are best at finding books I like.

I follow my friends, and my friends tend to have good taste! This is essentially my strategy. I do have a few friends who have recommended books that I didn't like, so I just don't listen to their recs anymore. Solved problem!

That's one of the problems I have with ML-based recommenders. I can't identify any particular ML algorithm, and therefore I can't say "This one has consistently given me bad recommendations, so I'll ignore it. But I do like this one over here." Whereas with my friends, I know that Lori and Nicole gives good recs and Brad doesn't, so I'll ignore Brad's and read recs from the other two.

In my experience this really depends on genre. Some sub-genres are absolutely awful in this regard, while others are pretty good. In my experience, reviews on a lot of postmodern books are good as long as you mentally filter out reviews which are basically "I didn't want to read a postmodern book" :).

I wish for better reviews and scores too. The animated reviews are simply awful. In some genres virtually everything has near 5 stars, even the most derivative badly written dross. I now ignore any positive reviews and look at the negative reviews instead. I look at those which seem the most level-headed and mention things I care about.

I think they're fine? I didn't say great. In fact, I did say that I don't think ML will ever live up to my friends' recommendations, and that's primarily what I look at on Goodreads. My news feed thing is a list of books my friends want to read, are reading, or have read and rated, and that's more than good enough for me.

As far as the recommendations goes, I mean, I guess you could say I skip past most of them and only get the interesting ones, but at least the algorithm put it in front of me.

Again, my bigger problem with Goodreads is the performance. I'd use it a lot more and interact with my friends a lot more (and thus get better recs from them!) if it was a speedier site.

I remember metacritic used to have a books section, but they eventually dropped it.

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