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salaryshare.me

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After the discussion yesterday about how hard it is to know if your salary is comparable to your co-workers, and inspired by nostromo's "trick" (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2439443), I decided to implement a website where everyone can compare notes, without having to disclose personal info.

It works by creating "salary pools". When you create a pool you get an unguessable URL (e.g, I created a pool at http://salaryshare.me/8a6e32dd8c9166905db6cfd588044bad). Share that URL with everyone that you want to participate, and after a minimum number of people have given in their salaries, the results are disclosed.

Apply any standard disclaimers that should apply for an application developed in less than 6 hours.

Without context, salary is meaningless.

You should ask for title and years experience in the role. Without that a comparison is tough.

This. And also location. Without location this is useless. I can't possibly compare my Slovenian salary to you yankees :)

That is not the point of the site. From the inspiration linked above, it is clear that it is about comparing salaries in a single firm or in a similar fairly homogeneous setting.

So create a context. Suppose you're a junior developer in Slovenia and want to know how much your peers are earning. Create a pool named something like 'Slovenia junior dev position', enter your annual sallary and post the link to the pool here.

The only thing that kind of bugs me with this app is that the amounts have to be expressed in USD, so i have to recalculate them back to my own country's currency when viewing the results, otherwise, nice app :).

Just put the value in euros (if you're in Slovenia) or whatever, and ignore the dollar signs.

The results are for your own use anyway -- it'll work just as well even if you don't bother to convert.

Of course, that'll skew whatever larger purpose the developer is hoping to have with the data, but if the project seems to have legs, that just provides a big incentive to add support for other currencies. :}

I think the point is that users will share links with other people with comparable title and experience.

I work for a company with well over 100,000 employees, but if I gave my salary, title, and years experience (and as someone else noted, especially if I added my location), I wouldn't be anonymous. To my employer, at least. It would be trivial for them to narrow down the information to being provided by a very small number of people - if not the exact person.

I don't see this flying, where I work though. Even among the people I'm closest to, I don't think they'd take to this sort of information sharing amongst each other. Even pseudo-anonymously. I'm not sure if that's because they'd feel it's tacky or if it's because it has been drilled into everyone from corporate culture that you _never_ talk about it.

As an aside, I would actually much rather know not what the guys I've been working alongside for the past decade are making compared to me, but what new hires in the same positions as us are being hired at. Especially when you throw in all the hiring freezes and pay freezes over the last ten years.

You could fudge the title or years of experience slightly one way or the other. The point isn't to be exact, but to differentiate between associate developers 3 months out of college and staff engineers with 20+ years of experience.

Just one correction: your employer will also know exactly who you are by just your salary alone. Chances are not everyone is making the same amount and if you say you make 100,760,000 rubles, it's easy enough to just look it up. Your co-workers of course don't have this info.

I personally liked the other trick better: the one that gives you the average salary. Or maybe median is more appropriate. The point is that it'd give you an idea of whether you are making more or less than at least half your co-workers.

I agree that there is too much information here to stay anonymous from your boss.

Instead, you could generate the histogram of the entire sample set, perhaps curve fit, so it's not obvious for small sample sizes, how many people contributed. Then you put a little red "You are here" dot on the histogram so they see how they compare. This robs the employer of any data they can use to see who partook in the experiment, while still giving the same information back to the employee.

Average and standard deviation would do the trick, then you know where your salary is placed within a normal distribution.

The median can also be an actual salary, which may or may not give it away.

This is why salary pools are secret. Don't share the link with your boss (or sycophantic cow-orkers) and you should be fine.

I think the use case is to get an informal survey among your peers. I wouldn't expect a C-level professional or someone more senior to be using it. But that doesn't mean you can't create a pool and send only to the half-a-dozen guys that you work with, or your cubicle-neighbors.

The way I see it is that you create the context yourself. You create a pool and only share the URL with people in a known context (such as your colleagues at work). That way you all get to discover where you are in the spread of your team, but without knowing which salary is tied to which individual.

Obviously, how you structure the context defines what it means to you. If you share it with everyone from managers to newbie graduates your context will be different than if you just share it with people you consider to be at the same level as you.

If the users create the context themselves, which makes sense, then why do you ask for 'US dollars only please'? Because you want to use this data yourself?

Yes, good point. The OP should change it to be more generic to the users context.

Either allow configuration of currency, or a customised message or something like that.

A similar remark: "annual salary". The context might include part-time folks, consultants paid per hour, etc. where comparisons of annual salary are much less informative than just $/h.

You don't even need the app to discern between annual and dollar per hour, to the app it's just a number. Actually even an uniterpreted string would do.

Take a look at glassdoor.com - it handles salary info with context (company, etc)

I am familiar with Glassdoor. In a way, I am "competing" with them on Job4Dev.

Thing is, this salaryshare is a way to compare salaries with people that you already know, while Glassdoor is more of a general market analysis tool.

What I'm wondering now is how (and if) I can apply the idea of SalaryShare on Job4Dev. If you create a resume there, it already links the companies you listed as working for with the company database. Should I ask for "last compensation received", as well?

I'm currently job-hunting, so I'll take a look at Job4Dev. You probably should be asking (optional, anon) for salary data. I had no problem providing that info on Glassdoor, though I generally know around how much my friends/associates make.

One small issue: https://salaryshare.me/ does not work. Considering who this is targeted at, I wouldn't want my office mates who are my co-workers to snoop on my POST to your site. Kind of defeats the purpose.

So submit your entry from home then.

or phone.

Do your coworkers routinely sniff your network traffic?

It sounds like an awfully rude thing to do.

I don't think so, but why put them in a position where they'd be tempted? If I send out a link to the salary share pool on our internal chat, the assumption is that at least some people will go filling it out around that time. If someone gets the temptation to know exactly what's going on, they could start up a packet sniffer. OTOH, a StartSSL cert would prevent all of this from happening.

Would you be okay with the cert provided by webfaction (where the site is hosted?), for now?

https://salaryshare.me

I imagine that this will deter people from quickly starting up a packet sniffer when they share links to your site. However, how are you able to use webfaction's cert? Do they just give you their private key? Or is it just a cert that is not really signed by anyone and the common name is set to *.webfaction.com? In other words, this does not mean that you can spoof www.webfaction.com's signature, corret?

I think it's shared hosting.

Firefox throws an untrusted connection warning that this certificate belongs to another website.

It's a stopgap measure (because you have to click through the cert exception, because the domain name on the cert doesn't match the URL), but it will still encrypt the data just fine.

The warning will confuse some people (such as yourself); that's why the dev asked if it was okay.

Wouldn't kill to show nice histogram of the pool.

And an average.

And a median.

And a log-average.

You should actually automatically generate the random string, less friction for the user (and leave the choice to choose the string, kinda like how you can do with etherpad).

The problem is that (something most HR firms have known for decades) people inflate their salaries pretty consistently.

If you want to know what people are making, you don't ask them, you ask their employers.

Looks like you missed the previous thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2436147

So, I've been downmodded reddit style but for the life of me, I can't figure out exactly what part of this previous thread disputes the point that employees will overstate their salaries when asked, hence any representation of asking people their salaries is flawed from the start.

There is a reason large HR firms poll employers and not employees, as I said.

Amusingly, I had exactly the same idea and registered a domain intending to create a site doing this as well. I then promptly kept working on my day job until 4am, so haven't done a thing with it.

I like your implementation. To everyone asking about context, I believe this tool is intended to be used when you have already created such context, where coworkers want to know group salary information while still protecting their personal information from each other.

I had imagined the use would be where people were already in a group and wanted to share information anonymously. I had a brief moment before I fell asleep wondering how to prevent someone from just reloading the page as others submitted their salary information, thus being able to know what salary mapped to what user by the order they show up. I see that you set a minimum limit on the number of users in a pool, have you addressed this once the pool grows beyond that size?

How about if you can set a time and date at which point everything will be released? The site could show that to all visitors, so it would be obvious that you should get in before that.

This looks great.

Ideas for the future...

  - improve formatting of the list (right justify numbers 
    for example)
  - slider to allow us to cut off low and high outliers
    when looking at averages/charts/etc
  - display mean/mode/median/stdev [1] (which take into 
    account above filtering)
  - chart results
  - ability to add a timeout for entries (only accept new 
    salaries for X days before locking)
  - countdown timer on entry page
  - ability to send semi-anonymous invites from within the 
    app
  - allow tags or something for the user starting the 
    survey to add things like industry, general location,
    etc
  - allow OP to write a brief blurb about what to include. 
    for example, "base salary only", "salary plus expected
    bonus",)

This kind of data can be extremely valuable if you can convince your users their privacy is secure and likewise convince your clients (job boards and the like) that it's accurate.

[edit]... I see you're a job posting company so I guess you already know how valuable this sort of info is[/edit]

[1] Nice article on averages (if you're not already familiar with the pros and cons of the different types: http://betterexplained.com/articles/how-to-analyze-data-usin...

Another excellent idea: make it a regression:

Wage = a + byears experience + ctitle + dlanguage coded + ...

[a b c d ...] = ([array.T array]^(-1)array.T wage

thus people can figure out for themselves where they should be! :-)

HN Salary Pool

http://salaryshare.me/230acd5ff2df1bf8cb03f403aabd45be

If any ones interested.

It's so sad that some trolling assholes will try to poison cool projects like this by entering extremely high or low numbers. $33million? $123? $0 ... sheesh.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/

The solution to this problem is to use a trimmed mean:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_mean

One of those $0s is mine. I'm an unemployed college student; it should probably be more like -$20,000. Just sayin'.

It's not asking for your net worth. ;)

I know :'(

But the college asks for $20K every year, so that could be considered a negative salary.

OK, then after taxes, rent, food, utilities, entertainment, savings, and everything else, my salary is also $0.

Salary is what your employer pays you, not what you don't spend out of that.

And if you consider the university to be your employer...

But people, this was not meant entirely seriously.

Negative salary is an oxymoron. How can you consider debt a form of compensation?

Tuition is a little special, since it's essentially money I'm paying for the privilege of working on something I'm not being paid for.

That would be net income, not gross. Net income is salary/other income minus expenses. That's clearly not what people are entering here.

If you are unemployed or self-employed then the question isn't really for you (though the answers certainly are).

You're not acting in your own best interest.

If you accept that the site's trying to give you ammunition in the form of more accurate information. Then you hurt yourself (and everyone else) by putting in an absurdly high or low number you skew the results away from the actual market value.

If it skews high, you're going to miss out on opportunities by holding out for an unrealistically high compensation.

If it skews low, you accept less money.

As I understand it it's a salary pool for HN users. I'm an HN user, and I put in my salary. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

I'm not really expecting that anyone is seriously going to try to use the average salary of HN users for negotiation purposes. But even assuming they were, it appears there are at least a few others who are in my boat. That's relevant information, yes?

You are unemployed; therefore you have no salary.

This is somewhat akin to placing "yes, please" under the "sex" column of a questionaire.

I'm not sure I understand— how does the fact that I'm unemployed, and therefore have no salary, negate the fact that I have no salary? Are you trying to distinguish between "no salary" and "$0 salary"? They feel pretty equivalent to me.

Again, this is an informal salary pool for HN users. I'm an HN user, and my yearly income, taking into consideration my no stock options, no bonuses, no salary, and no other non-salary compensation, is $0.

In general, do you really think the existence of unemployed hackers who earn $0 yearly is completely irrelevant to anyone who would have an interest in how much hackers are making?

Actually, yes, it is irrelevant, and yes, you don't understand. But it's not your fault. :P You're missing some context: this is a followon to a previous thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2438980

The idea isn't to see how much other hackers are making in general. The idea is to see how much companies are paying them, so that people who are being paid much less or more than they're worth can figure that out.

Granted, it's a pretty statistically silly way to go about that given the breadth of HN readership. The posts further down the thread ("PHP Programmers in Baltimore") make more sense.

Not your fault, though. UI guys like to beat up users when they screw up. Don't listen to 'em. You are giving them valuable, valuable information.

They are as equivalent as an integer value of 0 and a NULL value are.

You're not acting in your own best interest.

No, he misunderstood the goal of the exercise. I'd argue it's not entirely his fault, either. "What's your salary" -- asked as a general question, without further context, justifiably might not be taken that literally. (And there is no further context unless you've read the previous thread. The post here, and salaryshare.me, don't say anything that indicates this isn't a simple income poll.)

This is not a stupid or malicious user. This is a UI failure.

The $0 don't really hurt anything. Someone who makes 60K and puts in 100K does a lot more damage.

There doesn't seem to be a way of looking at the responses without entering a value, which makes it difficult for students, job seekers, etc., to look at the results without entering meaningless data to get there. Am I missing something?

Just enter a 0$ for now, won't do much harm.

Are we talking gross btw? I might have written down the net salary...

Are we putting in total comp (salary + bonus) or just base?

Here's what the distribution looks like so far, after trimming the ends off-

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7461/21709307.jpg

Looks like $50-60K is coming up as the peak of this when you bucket the answers into $10k classes. For the record, "finding the mean" is not the appropriate way to look at this type of data.

Who defines the 'minimum number of people'? If it's not user-defined, I think you should make it clear what that value is. Otherwise, if I share this to my team of 7, but the minimum is 8, we'll never know.

For smaller groups, you could add an option to show only the average, not the salaries. Then with as few as 3 people it would be reasonable to disclose the value.

Perhaps he should let the user starting the pool set the minimum for that group (but let everybody signing in to that group know the minimum).

The minimum is 4 people I believe.

That is correct. I did have one version where the first form asked for the minimum number of participants. I discarded it because I wanted to get the easiest "action" form. To be honest, I considered even removing the "give it a name" part.

But it seems to be something that a lot of people are asking. I will add the "minimum number of participants" option now.

I've had something like this in the back of my head for a while, glad to see someone implement it.

One thing though is how do you suggest getting people to join the pool? Pass the link around? You might not want to get caught as a ring leader on something like this, or even as a participent, as some companies really hate salary sharing.

There needs to be an anonymous sharing system. Put emails into the system, and Salary$hare emails those people.

That is an awesome idea.

What's stopping someone from sending a link, then entering a bunch of fake salaries (by clearing cookies), to find out co-worker's salary (not one of the ones you entered, though they may all appear legit).

Any system can be abused.

I guess one way of combating this is that when you receive an invitation, ask your other coworkers if they received them as well, and ask them to participate. That way, at least the initial wrongdoer wouldn't be able to peg the salary to the person.

"Did you receive a SalaryShare link" is insufficient. I could send a different link to each co-worker. You would at least need to compare URLs.

PHP NYC - http://salaryshare.me/f2864ef79da8296c035b2906c0bb4846

Nice to see that I'm about where I expect to be.

I'm in the middle, thought I'd be more at the bottom. Was happy about that for a second until I realized that being at the bottom would actually be a good thing.

How would that be a good thing?

(Assuming that not all of the top ten entries are bullshit. $700695550? HAHAHAH, hilarious, guys.)

Cause if you're at the bottom there's plenty of room to grow, even just by switching jobs. Finding out you're the top paid programmer in your area is good for the ego but doesn't do anything for your bottom line.

Design flaw there. I am tempted to just put in some random numbers so I can see the output.

Right. It would be nice to have a 'just let me see the results' link

Nice idea, but I'd want to e.g. wait a day/week/month and then disclose all salaries and close the pool. After all, salaries added after the pool has been opened are much less private.

I did plan for time-based, self-expiring pools. I'm also thinking of adding an option to get a user-configurable minimum number of participants.

For the sake of simplicity, I left out of this first version. The way it is working now, you can only see the results after adding your own salary.

Call it a MVP, if you will. It might be in the next version if people show enough interest.

A user-configurable minimum would be a great help in convincing my peers to participate.

Do you think you could add a jpeg or two to the front page demonstrating a couple of sample salaries and the information I would see as output?

Don't you think that that may lead to a powerful anchoring effect, skewing the results? I suppose you could put in obviously bogus numbers, but..

A few stats and graphs won't hurt; but it's great for 6hrs.

mean, median, and truncated/winsorized mean would be really useful and not too much effort, if I can ask for something :)

> US Dollars, please

But I get paid in pounds sterling. Can't this just be a free-form text field?

Yes. My friends in Brazil are already asking for input in BRL. Will add it.

It is probably a good idea to keep the original value and the currency rather than converting them to dollars just the one time. This will allow you to recompute dollar figures based on currency exchange fluctuations.

I'm not convinced it's useful to convert the currencies anyway. I can't get paid in US dollars for this job. If I wanted to get paid in USD, I'd be getting a different job.

Or are there any cases where a single job market spans two or more currencies?

Some larger companies have offices in more than one country. Examples would be Google, Microsoft, Facebook, most banks, etc.

Perhaps it would be useful to be able to view the results in any currency you desired. But already we're entering scope-creep territory :-)

Right - if you cared enough about looking at anonymous salary information across different countries, you could just use Glassdoor.com.

The point of this app is that you share a link with your peers, whether they're based in your office or in an office in a different country. This is a bit different from completely anonymised data from statistically similar market segments (and possibly more useful, since people at the same company are likely to have similar perks and benefits etc.)

There are at least 4 different currencies being used to pay people in my office. Sometimes two different currencies to the same person. As each portion is (or can be) negotiated separately, this isn't merely a conversion question.

Also, our bonuses are denominated in USD and then converted (or not) into whichever currency we prefer.

Good idea.

Here's a suggestion, the numbers on the list should match a rank, eg:

  1. $10
  1. $10
  3. $8
  4. $7
  4. $7
  4. $7
  7. $2

This will make it more relevant when looking how high up on the list your annual salary is.

Edit: fixed formatting. Edit2: corrected the ranking as suggested by SimonPStevens

Shouldn't that be: 1. $10 1. $10 3. $8

The way I see it, the person with $8 is ranked third, not second.

Think of what would happen if you extended it. If you had 99 people earning $10 and 1 earning $8, it would be misleading to rank that bottom individual 2nd.

You are absolutely right, that was more what I was thinking about when I wrote that. I just edited it to match with your proposal.

For what it's worth, this is quite easy to compute in a way that works with any number of ties, and doesn't require computing the whole list in order. Your rank is the number of people above you plus one.

I must be missing something. That's a N^2 operation on an unsorted list. ~N Log N if you sort it first. And N to insert a new entry to a sorted list.

Yes, it requires a sorted list, but so does the naïve implementation. The performance is equivalent to binary search to find the entry, although you then have to scan backwards to make sure you have the first entry with the same value.

Since performance is probably not an issue for most rankings, the biggest benefit is a clear, easy to remember definition, which should reduce the chances of making the same mistake landhar did.

If you are inserting 3 into an indexed and sorted list (1,2,4,5) you can calculate the index of 3 in O(Log N). But you also need to update the index of 4, and 5 which is an O(N) operation.

The site is awesome, I did basically nostromo's trick with my colleagues in the past and found that I had the highest salary by a reasonable margin but was the newest hire. Ah, the joys of negotiation... A webapp would be great for more distributed teams though!

Me and a couple of buddies made a basic version of Glassdoor back in college before they existed. It's called FuelForHire but it never took off because we never marketed it. I'm promoting it now in hopes it helps people figure out their salary, and on top of that it contains reviews of the hiring process, compensation package, and work environment to give the numbers some context. We DO NOT require you to write a review in order to view one like Glassdoor does, so stop by and take a look, although we'd love it if you did write a review!

http://www.fuelforhire.com

It's probably better suited for people to talk about their experiences at past companies instead of their current employer especially if you're paranoid about your anonymity but feel free to use as you see fit.

Again, the site was made 3 years ago when I was young and stupid, so there are a lot of issues (plaintext passwords, anyone?). If there's significant interest I'll start fixing them right away. Check it out:

http://www.fuelforhire.com

Nice idea. Topic will always bring hot debates, but glassdoor is doing a pretty good job.

Apologies for a bit off topic, but I built a bit different site in Poland, where you can actually vote on salaries for job offers based on the location / job content / role / company name (if known) for job offers from various websites, where in salary field it says "atractive" or "high" etc. Have a look http://www.jakapensja.pl (in Polish)

PHP Developer Baltimore Area

http://salaryshare.me/2da2f504ae45c222455824f207448e77

feature request:

* "show results only" - I would like to see results of pools that people are posting links to (without having to "make up" something first)

* other currencies - there are also other countries then USA

* global public pool + allow to submit some more info

The anonymity doesn't really translate to start ups where there are < 100 employees. I work in an office with 10 people. If everyone posted their salary I would be able to easily guess who posted what. I'd much rather a site lik http://www.ackwire.com/ (posted on HN a couple months ago).

I don't agree with comparisons like that. I had two developers one making $10k more that the other, both about the same quality I would say. I didn't set their salaries, they had salaries negotiated when they joined the company. I thought it was unfair. It's not. Everybody has different skills, work ethics, productivity and on top of that expectations. The guy with $70k always complained about salary while $60k guy was completely happy.

It's up to everybody to negotiate salary that makes them happy, if you are not able to move on somewhere else where somebody will pay you what you are asking for.

However, putting all this aside, this application could be useful in environments where you have at least 5-10 people with the same skills, seniority, productivity, otherwise you are comparing apples and oranges.

Also, a lot of companies prohibit you from discussing your salary with other co-workers or not?

Has any tech company used fully disclosed salaries as described in Mavrick [1][2]? It's an intriguing idea.

Mavrick describes how all salaries were publicly posted. People see exactly where they are in relation to others. Of course this created tension at first, but eventually things settled. The magic happens during hiring. An open position's salary is also public, and everyone on an interview panel naturally ranks candidates versus current employees. Is the candidate better than Joe? She better be because she'll be making more than Joe.

Has anyone heard of a tech company doing something like this?

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maverick_(book)

[2] http://www.amazon.com/Maverick-Success-Behind-Unusual-Workpl...

Why not throw a couple ads on this and monetize your efforts? Job placement / recruiting ads bring great money.

Very cool. Might be interesting to collect age, years of experience and perhaps company while you're at it so you can see a nice distribution. This might destroy some anonymity amongst a close group of friends, but amongst a diverse anonymous crowd such as HN it would be interesting.

Sorry, didn't do it for me. I was at first confused by the "give it a name", then it took me to another page and I lost interest.

Why not just a simple form that lets you enter your salary, and provide some optional info that will only be revealed to people you choose?

Nice solution to a known problem. The app is simplistic and doesn't really need to collect any more information. As long as people enter accurate salaries then this should prove useful. Good job.

Developers at BigCo (Microsoft/Amazon/Google...): http://salaryshare.me/0c844406ed64408ec6ccb6cfa59f83e5

Base or total compensation?

Nice one. Other than secret pools, it would be very interesting to have a global pool where people could indicate country, years of commercial experience and salary.

PHP Developers Midwest http://salaryshare.me/520b0119dba651b4a5e0d8e8e3a72603

How about listing public pools on the front page (and giving the option to make a pool public)

Perhaps make a public version that asks for more information and automatically generate pools when enough have submitted data for a particular segment (company, location, title, years experience, degree, etc)

That very quickly removes anonymity. I might be the only guy whose title is actually Software Developer - but we're a company with eight employees, five of whom I can see if I swivel my head.

I haven't thought about this problem extensively, but it seems you could maintain anonymity by hiding results for segments with a small number of responses. That's basically what this is doing, except the "segments" are user-defined and private.

If I'm the only one at my company who has responded then a search for my company won't turn up anything. If a dozen other people have then it will. If only one of those has the same job title then it if I search for my company and my job title nothing will show up. If 8 have the same job title then they will show up. Restricting it to one "axis" might solve that but the data would be less interesting.

Of course you have to be careful since certain combinations of searches could also reveal information (kind of like those logic questions: Sally is taller than Bob, Bob is shorter than Joe, etc, etc. Who is tallest?)

Excluding the company name and restricting location searches to large enough regions would remove a lot of the risk. It would be cool to be able to ask questions like "What are the salaries of software engineers with 5 years experience in Silicon Valley?" or "How much does having a BS degree increase your salary? MS degree? PhD?" or "How do salaries scale with # years experience?"

Grad students: (not that our salaries are all that secret...) http://salaryshare.me/be795b5770029320591ac9a1730a9932

SF/Bay Area iPhone Developers (put 22 if you just want to see the results)

http://salaryshare.me/b57de74e7eecef0c5179516ee5e75a1f

Software Engineer I or Entry Level Software engineer in Boston :

http://salaryshare.me/d7bf7a517c9261e1dca387eca652b58d

CS Academia - young professors and postdocs - http://salaryshare.me/aa134b0ded8013e4d211e1abdc5eb8ac

Austrlians: http://salaryshare.me/34675bce652fe030839ff6d0fa349647

Assume Parity with $USD to make it easier

Developers at NYC Startups: http://salaryshare.me/25a1232ba8ca3b7f2b2e41a64b9cdc46

Croatia senior developer: http://salaryshare.me/760f65ad9a532d7f329fda641fda0952

Put your bugs on this thread.

Submit button does not work in IE7

right align the numbers in the results, and don't make the list numbers mess with alignment. see the HN list for an example of how the mis-alignment makes it unecessarily difficult to scan/compare

http://salaryshare.me/230acd5ff2df1bf8cb03f403aabd45be

It looks like a lot of people are entering zero just so they can see the results of some pools.

Without verifying anyone's identity, couldn't the boss just flood the pool with low salaries?

Pools seem anonymous. You'd have to hide the link to the pool from the boss.

Great workaround, but ultimately I'd still want the cause fixed.

www.glassdoor.com does this pretty well...

How's this different from Glassdoor.com?

Glassdoor.com's free trial is limited. Click through a few pages, and you start getting this:

> This salary is available to members

Incidentally, if you really want you can get around this by opening a new incognito window in chrome. Sort of a pain and perhaps not worth the effort, however.

Last time I tried to look at Glassdoor it just required you to provide information to get information. Once you provided a salary, you could access salaries for a year.

I run a similar site to Glassdoor that doesn't require you to write a review to read them. Understandably, I have fewer reviews, but if you're interested feel free to take a look!

http://www.fuelforhire.com

this site pre-existed, glass cieling or something like that.

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