Thermoelectric Stoves: Ditch the Solar Panels?
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As a rule of thumb, a good PV panel and a good thermal engine will give you similar efficiencies - a little under 20%, more if you want to spend lots, but really very tricky to exceed mid-30s. A thermoelectric generator, quoted as "1/3rd as efficient as PV" - sounds about right, so maybe 6%.
PV panels consume land. A wood-fired generator as suggested would need at least 10x the land to grow the trees for the same energy input, even forgetting the difference in efficiency. Probably closer to 100x.
Oh, and PV works in literal deserts, where land is cheap, because it's useless to grow food or as a reserve, so you're sacrificing nothing!
The closest practical variant of this is district heating with a regular fossil- or nuclear- turbine generator. IIRC, a few towns in Russia have genuinely too cheap to meter heat because of this.
There's an engineering reason for it, as well, that has nothing to do with economics.
A lot of the apartment blocks built in Russia during the later communist years were built from prefabs - essentially, entire 'rooms' would arrive on trucks from a factory, and would get snapped together like lego bricks.
The plumbing was pre-installed in these rooms - specifically, it would be pre-wired into the solid-concrete walls, at the point of manufacture - so that construction workers did not have to actually do any plumbing at the time of assembly.
This is a great system, because you can put a building together very quickly. It does have a few drawbacks, though.
Russian winters are cold. Really, really, really cold. So cold, in fact, that during winter, hot water plumbed through the buildings is the only thing that keeps their occupants from freezing to death. Most of these buildings don't have any other source of heating.
Of course, if hot water ever stops getting plumbed through your building (Because of, say, a ruptured pipe, a problem at the central heating plant, etc), then, in a matter of days, every single pipe in your apartment block will freeze solid, and explode. This would be bad enough in a 'normal' building, but it is made worse, because the pipes aren't even accessible for maintenance - they are buried deep within the walls of the concrete prefabs.
Except that thermodynamics gets in the way :-). The heat that is converted into electricity is, electricity. So it is no longer part of heat available for heating. If you did have 100% efficient thermoelectrics they would be pretty neat since you could put as much wood or fuel into your stove as you wanted and the surface of the stove wouldn't change temperature at all, but there would be electricity available!
That said, using thermoelectric conversion to charge your cell phone when camping[1] (and using the fire for toasting marshmellows) is a win :-). But it isn't going to replace solar any time soon sadly.
[1] https://gazettereview.com/2016/06/powerpot-after-shark-tank-...
So long as it is above ambient temperatures, it i useful for something. Feeding low-grade heat into a stratified water thermal storage system is particularly effective. So long as the water is allowed to stratify by temperature, cold water will settle to the bottom and can be heated by any warmer material.
In practice, outflow for (re)heating is at the bottom of the tank, outflow for use at the top, and inflow is through a perforated vertical pipe allowing introduction at level of thermal equilibrium.
As you note, waste heat is the heat that is left over after you've used some of it. The part you used is no longer heat (it may be electricity it may be kinetic or potential energy, it might even be chemical energy, but it isn't "heat" any more).
One of the coolest uses of ambient heat I've seen so far has been the new heat pump water heaters, they cool your garage as they pull latent heat into the water inside the tank. The trick though is that your garage gets cooler :-) (i.e. the heat has gone elsewhere).
There are also some pretty cool thermo-electric solutions where you stick a device on the indoors side of a window to the out of doors. It uses the delta between the window glass temperature and the indoor temperature to power a simple sensor. Not as useful on double glazed windows but awesome for single pane ones.
Not saying we should promote wood burning, but I'm not tossing out the old wooden stove.
or is it air, which just has more CO2?
Here's a relatively recent news article about this[1], including a couple of images of the same place 50 years apart showing the progress.
[1]: https://www.nrk.no/innlandet/norges-hoyestvoksende-tre-skape...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S136403212...
There's very real questions about how wood pellets are sourced, but moving from burning ancient fossils to burning recent trees has to be directionally correct, part of the solution.
You should not burn wood at all. Woodsmoke is truly terrible pollution that harms you and everyone around you for most of a mile radius.
It smells really nice but is utterly damaging.
1. Outside air: We're not talking about cities. Burning stuff in dense habitation zones is stupid. Sibling comments have hinted at atmospheric inversion, which is a localized and largely exceptional effect. Also: it's not too hard to take that into account and have a fire at nights and during winter, periods during which people aren't too much out.
2. Inside air: Any well designed and well tended fire-place (and its associated well-dried wood) generates no smoke in the room. If it does you're doing in wrong. If you intend to heat your home you should go for a closed stove, if you intend to cook you should have a well ventilated open-furnace and learn to use it right. Source: my childhood home at the country-side heated exclusively (hot water was electric) with a stove in the living room and an open furnace in the kitchen.
3. Deforestation: we have too much wood. Apart from rain-forests, at "occidental latitudes" most forests are growing (at least i know for sure in france). In my country-side some farmer neighbor always had spare wood to sell, from cutting trees around their fields (of course you have to do it intelligently: not cut the younger ones, etc). A farm of a half a dozen hectares can be self-sufficient in heating wood (source: neighbors).
Also, in my area you can smell the wood smoke outside. That means that it is also getting into peoples houses. A chimney on the top of your house is still very low to the ground. It doesn't just go away when it exits the chimney.
Industrial-scale charcoal-fired bronze, iron, and glass-smelting use prodigious amounts of wood fuel, multiples of the yielded product mass.
See Vaclav Smil, Energy and Civilization, on energy use generally. Jed O. Kaplan; Kristen M. Krumhardt; Niklaus Zimmermann, "The prehistoric and preindustrial deforestation of Europe' (10.1016/j.quascirev.2009.09.028 http://gen.lib.rus.ec/scimag/10.1016%2Fj.quascirev.2009.09.0...) gives an overview of trends and some uses.
Wikipedia has a generally accurate though poorly sourced article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_forest_in_Centr...
I wonder how modern pellet stoves with more complete combustion compare to traditional wood fires?
In particular, quotes like this:
> It might be the clearest day of the year, but burn a sufficient quantity of wood and the air in the vicinity of your home will resemble a bad day in Beijing.
strongly hint at atmospheric inversion, frequent in some areas and rare in others. (Also, “sufficient quantity of wood” makes the point completely meaningless, but that aside…)
IMO recommending for or against wood burning should take into account typical weather patterns of a particular area, and ideally there should be a way to notify people when atmospheric conditions are not right for this.
I agree that Sam Harris has a frustrating tendency to moralize, but I still subscribe to his podcast. There are good points raised in most discussions, if not by him then by his guest. Strong opinions is a double-edged sword.
And there is moralising on the other side of the argument, it is just less explicit. The old fashioned "natural" manliness of chopping and burning wood is definitely considered virtuous by a lot of people. Maybe this is restricted to middle class though.
(In my view there is hardly anything especially manly or romantic in buying fuel for a modern pellet stove. As far as I know unless one literally owns a forest one can’t legally go around chopping down trees in most countries. Chopping may be a good exercise though.)