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Mostly agreed, and well articulated. Though, the point I believe that Tom was trying to make about Diaz having to ask Thomas to change things was more valid with the links that were likely stripped from your comment:

https://github.com/madrobby/emile/pull/7

While you already argue against something like ender.js being valid, Tom's argument, which preceded your comment (and which seemed confirmed by Thomas' post, imo), was that including emile in Ender.js has actually been a pain because he couldn't get Thomas to answer him, let alone change something for him. I believe the irony that was being pointed out was that Thomas then gave ender a shout-out after ignoring it (from an outside and likely wrong perspective).

I say all of this in more of a objective bystander, rather than someone who wants to interject his own opinion on the actual topic. I don't need that kind of stress.

Full disclosure: I found myself quite attracted to Thomas the few times I met him. I think it's the accent.

The point is that Emile is 50 lines of code and can be wrapped up for any purpose in about 2 minutes (export to some object).

Dustin wanted a different API to call upon, so he had to change some stuff, again relatively easy, because it basically fits on a screen in a text editor.

Let's not forget, all of this is open source, and it's meant for adaptation, forking and to be built upon. (Note that Emile was very much a proof-of-concept, with no emphasis on beatuiful, reusable code; it was written as a teaching tool for a talk on CSS animation I gave two years ago at Fronteers.)

I agree, but I think the point of Tom originally linking it was to show that Dustin had integrated a micro-framework (from you), and couldn't get a response from you (even to say the stuff you mention above) and eventually closed the ticket.

It's not my own commentary, though. I was just clarifying to Amy why the argument that seemed entirely unrelated was at least tangentially related. Personally, I would have just modified it and went on my way :D

Actually Dustin's pull request is a bad example entirely. He wanted to change the whole API of emile. He liked the functionality but it didn't work for how he wanted to integrate it into ender. If an API doesn't work for you, you're kind of screwed, whatever library you're using. You either hack it yourself or you ask the maintainer. If some API of SproutCore wasn't to your liking, then what?

Dustin could've written an adapter around emile to expose the api he wanted to for ender. But that would defeat the purpose of ender which is to cleanly integrate several great micro frameworks. He didn't have to wait for Thomas. He wanted to explicitly. It was a goal of his to keep the dependencies pure.

Dependency hell is a problem with integrating several different frameworks. But I'm not sure this is the best illustration of that.

Slexy, I didn't know about this. Because 5 days ago, I was too sick to do anything but lie on the sofa and moan, and Thomas was taking care of me while holding down the business all by himself. It's unfortunate that Dustin assumed that not hearing from Thomas in just a few days meant that Thomas was angry, ignoring him, or whatever.

But nevertheless, Emile's not only open source, it's MIT-licensed. Dustin can do whatever he wants with it, any time!

Unrelated to the OP, but related to this: I get that it's real life, and people forget that all the time on the internet. You should start feeling better soon. Forealz. I demand it. CFS sounds terrible and we're all rooting for you to figure out a real solution despite shitty doctor luck. Many <3z.

Thank you so much. You really made my day singletear :)

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