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Code of Conduct Complaints Against Linus Torvalds

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The emails getting cited here are from 2014 - what is the news in this article actually?

And for what it's worth, I didn't see anything particularly noteworthy - Linus used the platform offered to him by Debian at DebConf to attack another organization that Debian presumably shares some goals and sympathies with - the FSF. Apparently many Debian project members felt that this was wrong, that they did not want it to repeat, and that Linus may not be welcome at their events because of this.

To be clear, Linus wasn't speaking out against the FSF, he was berating them and accusing them. It seems it was mostly a rant.

Note that this has nothing to do with 'policing language' or 'social justice warriors' or anything that CoC's normally bring to many people's minds. It is mostly about one organization offering a platform to attack an organization that they are friendly with.

Is this really just about Linus calling the FSF "dishonest", "immoral", "lying", and "crazy bigoted people"?

I don't believe his remarks constitute harassment, to be perfectly frank. In fact, I don't really see how that's a CoC matter.

Agreed. I can't see the bigotry or harassment here. He's allowed to not like people and express that forcefully.

There must be some middle ground. Like git works in a decentralized network of trust, you also need a network of trust. That network would reveal who is most trusted in what context. Torvalds is trusted with kernel code and git, but not basic empathy and polite discussion. Such moronic statements about others that spouts from that one's mouth, only deserve scorn and ridicule. But the ideas behind kernel and git is well-founded, plus some genius and Bob Martin-esqe open-mindedness about how to code, which we all could inspire from.

People who don't contribute, don't belong in certain forums. However, the world can't afford to close their ears anymore either.

The world is complex.

I hope the Linux mailing list doesn't become a place where a bunch of political correct lynch mob hangs around to harass others.

i hope it has fewer troglodytes hiding behind a misguided concept of freedom of speech

Ha yes because saying describing the FSF as `bigots’, is an infraction to the « Code of conduct ». If that's the case your CoC is pure bullshit designed to stifle speech.

Hiding behind freedom of speech is an oxymoron.

The messages described in the article/headline are from 2014.

What is the nature of respect, exactly? It sounds like "respect" boils down to being polite and considerate, not actually being forced to examine and see the world through another person's perspective.

He allowed a CoC to be added to the Linux kernel. I’ll be glad to see him get a taste of his own medicine. At least it would serve as a warning to others.

ESR was right.

maga bullshit

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