Radioactivity in Antiques
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[1] https://ideas.time.com/2012/08/02/is-your-garden-hose-toxic/ [2] https://tamararubin.com/2018/09/reminder-june-2007-thomas-th...
Lead is still used in huge quantities to make domestic roofs. You may have many kg of lead over your head right now!
Modern plastics of various varieties contain far more suspicious molecules IMO.
In light of that it seems disingenuous to complain that a hose (as opposed to the water coming out of the hose) has 18x that much lead. If the lead has no reasonably means by which it will get into someone then what's the big deal?
I'm not saying I want more lead but you gotta pick your battles when it comes to chemically. Anything is bad if you have enough exposure. If the amount of lead people are exposed to is not gonna have any effect in their lifetime then lets check that box and move on to the next chemical.
And before you say "well if you construct a study and have a control group, etc, etc", yes, ok, fine, you can measure really small changes that way. What happens when the harm is below the noise threshold of that too?
There's a million things in our world that are gonna give us cancer or whatever in 50yr. Having some lead painted antique trinket that sits on a shelf or leaded brass in your hose nozzle isn't going to harmfully affect anyone if it's practically your only voluntary exposure. It's like smoking one cigarette once. Sure it's not good for you but it's also not going to be what kills you.
Your parent didn't say below a measurable threshold, they used a much weaker "you don't notice." Lead has been shown in countless studies to be harmful, and a lot of its effects are subtle like behavior and learning problems, hyperactivity, lower intelligence, men's fertility, fetal health, cardiovascular problems, kidney function... so you might not notice low grade lead poisoning but it can still be slowly wrecking your body.
AFAIU, the claim in the literature is that nobody has found a dosage without a measurable effect, at least at population scale. Now, that may simply be because nobody has setup a study to test a dosage at the limits of what can be measured. But in any event the claim is based on numerous studies that postdate most quantitative lead level thresholds. Those regulatory thresholds haven't been updated because the consensus opinion now, in light of the believed mechanism of action in neurological tissue and epidemiological data, is that any ingestion can potentially have a lasting, detrimental impact, however slight; and the consensus goal, however aspirational, is to eliminate all lead exposure during developmentally critical years.
Punching somebody in the head might not cause any meaningful, discernible damage, but nobody is suggesting it's benign, and nobody is going to invest any effort to determine the minimum impact force or number of impacts below which damage is indiscernible or nonexistent. You just aim to avoid all punches to the head, period. Any quantitative thresholds, such as number of known concussions, are simply designed to help allocate limited resources for aggressive interventions. The same is true for lead--preexisting federal and state blood lead levels are designed (or rather reconstrued, ex post) to be a trigger for intervention, not a threshold below which we presume the absence of damage. It's an important distinction.
Of course, it's understood that lead is not only pervasive in the natural environment, but in our industrial processes and especially in our built environment. That's why Federal law deliberately declassified lead as hazardous waste--to make it cheaper and easier to remove and dispose of post haste. Contrast that with asbestos or other hazardous, sometimes more benign, substances.
I remember when everybody on HN complained about the EU banning leaded solder. I think most of the complaints missed the point--there is no safe level for lead in the environment considering its effect on neurological development. We can't objectively set a specific level that we can honestly, knowingly live with as a society, so the policy is simply to slowly, methodically remove it as best we can.
Paint is also more likely to be eaten by children. That's the bigger issue, IIRC.
It's been found in children's toys from China. For adults it's not as big a deal, you pretty much have to eat it to be harmed
Another source of radioactive antiques are things made of jadeite.
safe bet that anything older then 40 years old, glass or glass-like, and florescent is probably doped with something unsafe -- but they still make wonderful trophies.
Sadly my military USSR watch with radium painted arms has faded away and no longer glows. The machined trefoil on the back lid of it is still pretty cool, though.
Also, the article mentions it briefly, but radiation is one of the things to worry about least when using vintage ceramic goods. Those glazes are jam-packed with metals that are well known to be carcinogenic now-a-days.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_Girls
They were told it was safe, so some even intentionally painted their teeth.
You can see one being checked with a geiger counter here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmDKbVUbsnk&t=394s
[EDIT] This is covered in some detail on the wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiesta_(dinnerware)#Radioactiv...
> Eben Byers, a wealthy American socialite, athlete, industrialist and Yale College graduate, died from Radithor radium poisoning in 1932. Byers was buried in a lead-lined coffin; when exhumed in 1965 for study, his remains were still highly radioactive.
Apparently the bottles are still collectors' items.
I will say it does it's job. That helmet was still glowing in the dark just fine
Lenses, as you pointed, are safe: http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:652338/FULLTEXT01... I'd avoid dropping/breaking one indoor though.
https://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/luminous.php
The dose rates that he measured varied considerably depending on the watch. One very radioactive one was about ~30 times the background dose rate with the glass off and in very close proximity. Probably not something you'd want to wear on your wrist every day...
Whole body Ambient radiation dose is about 0.3 rem/year. You could assume your wrist is about 1% of this or 0.003 rem. 30x would be 0.09 rem.
The OSHA safety limit is 75 rem per year to the hands of workers, which is about 800x higher than the watch.
If you haven't heard about that, it's a remarkable story about a precocious kid who could put Ferris Bueller to shame. He cons material supply companies, gets arrested for stealing smoke detectors, and single-handedly creates a superfund site. And in the end, he gets to fulfill his dream of working with nuclear energy by serving on a nuclear aircraft carrier.
Honestly, it reads like a movie script and makes me ashamed of how I squandered my youth:
https://harpers.org/archive/1998/11/the-radioactive-boy-scou...
Also, if you can find a PDF of "The Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments" which that article occasionally quotes...wow. How did kids survive the '70s? Page 35, "making chlorine gas in the home lab"...
This EPA page has a better list https://www.epa.gov/radiation/what-kinds-consumer-products-c...
Missing from both is radioactive electronics. In lamps, electron sources, spark gaps, it's common to use radioactive materials to make ionization easier. In a lamp for example this would make it start at lower voltage
https://instructional-resources.physics.uiowa.edu/demos/7d30...
https://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/consumer%20products/elec...
https://www.epa.gov/radtown/americium-ionization-smoke-detec...