Kenosha Militia FB Event Asking Attendees to Bring Weapons Reported 455 Times
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"The complaint claims that cell phone video showed Rosenbaum, who appeared to be unarmed, trailing behind Rittenhouse before throwing a plastic bag at him. As the pair approached a car, a loud bang is heard, followed by an unidentified male yelling an obscenity. When Rosenbaum gets close to Rittenhouse, another four bangs are heard."
The widely circulated video is of people trying to disarm.him after he killed the first person.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooti...
For balance here is Kyle's lawyers statement on the incident where he claims one of his pursuers lunged at him to try and take his rifle and that was the reason for the first shooting:
https://wkow.com/2020/08/28/attorneys-say-accused-kenosha-sh...
> As Kyle proceeded towards the second mechanic’s shop, he was accosted by multiple rioters who recognized that he had been attempting to protect a business the mob wanted to destroy. This outraged the rioters and created a mob now determined to hurt Kyle. They began chasing him down. Kyle attempted to get away, but he could not do so quickly enough. Upon the sound of a gunshot behind him, Kyle turned and was immediately faced with an attacker lunging towards him and reaching for his rifle. He reacted instantaneously and justifiably with his weapon to protect himself, firing and striking the attacker.
Note that this is after the bag was thrown - the person who threw it continued to chase the shooter and was within contact distance.
Apologies for the domain. This is a heavily politicized event, and YouTube seems to be taking down the videos.
According to lawyer statement[0] he turned after hearing a gunshot behind him, and then shot as the first person lunged at him.
I see no evidence the mob of people chasing him were trying to "disarm" him, in fact the third person shot was pretty clearly trying to shoot him.
[0]: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kyle-rittenhouses-lawy...
Obviously there is a lot we don't know and the case may reveal more facts we are unaware of.
The problem with police violence is an extension of this. Police training is directed at control and overwhelming force. Even when there is an alternative path to de-escalate. When you are being attacked, even if you just committed a crime and the attacker is a police officer, your instinct is to fight back. The result is continued escalation until someone is dead.
Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Shoulan_v._Peng_Yu - same ethic of "if it wasn't his property, he must have been looking for trouble"; If that's the case every out-of-town protest/rioter is also an instigator.
Truth is, we don't know what preceded Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse, and until we do, we don't know who threw the first punch.
> The police are there to deal with it
last I heard the US police have no duty to protect. Until this is changed, people will be in no hurry to surrender the right to bear arms.
Not in any way. That is a debate over Good Samaritans helping vs not getting involved. This is about vigilantes showing up with assault rifles when the police are already there.
There is a cached url available at: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3AaKHZ...
It looks like in the event itself there was no direct call for violence unless the event description has been lost with the caching.
The title just said: "Armed Citizens to Protect our Lives and Property" and it was hosted by "Konosha Guard".
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/david-dorns-widow-speaks-a...
He was one of the earliest victims of the looters. He was black and also a former cop.
Short answer is that it is all still irrelevant. Any attempt to organize violent confrontations on social media should be subject to removal. Incitement is explicitly excluded from first amendment protection. Planned rioting should absolutely be shut down as well but there's been no reports of that. Banning any organizing that could possibly lead to violence is definitely not the same thing.
Not exactly, no he was not.
I think that the police will continue killing people until they are disbanded or restructured. History tells us that police in Chicago and NYC, for example, can be and have been the primary source of corruption and organized crime. Edit: Chicago's police ran a torture ring for years [2]; NYPD has earned a dedicated page for all of their corruption scandals and the most egregious misconduct [3].
Facebook isn't doing enough to curb police using social media to organize. I don't think that we're asking for censorship, so much as we're asking Facebook to stop implicitly supporting violence and hate. Compare and contrast the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar, where Facebook admitted [1], after half a decade of implicitly backing the genocide, that they had been too slow to respond to the problem.
Edit: Downvoters, what are you exactly upset about? In addition to actually answering the parent's question and providing a listing of instances, I'm directly addressing their concerns and preserving the context of the original article. Please use your words.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_violence_incide...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_genocide#Facebook's_r...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Burge
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Departmen...
He might not have directly interacted with it - doesn't mean he didn't see it? Shared by a friend?
Or are their analytics so detailed that they can guarantee he never saw it?
They should investigate and see how a "17" years old is so brain washed to take a gun and go there. I hate rioters and looters, but I can't imagine how can I convince myself to go there with a gun. That isn't normal.
Don't outsource a core competency. Facebook has reached a point where moderation is at least as important as engineering.
That was not his business or property. He was a vigilante.
I'm not saying that he's innocent. It's just crazy how "That was not his business or property" makes a valid point today.
Then the police let him walk away.
Please contrast this with the same police shooting an unarmed black man seven times in the back at close range while getting into his car. Imagine if he had 2’ long rifle on him too.
I don’t relish political discussion in this forum, and I’m sorry to dang et all if I’m furthering that. It just feels like the world is on fire and it’s hard to bite your tongue when ostensibly reasonable people fundamentally disagree with things covered on video.
The black man was not unarmed, he had a knife in his hand and a gun in his car. The police fired when he reached into the car. He already had the knife in his hand and told the police he was going to grab the other
Also, Jacob Blake did not have a gun. It's stil unclear whether he was holding a knife or sunglasses.
stay to face the angry mob of anonymous individuals (wearing face-covering hoods and masks)?
Consider that RH was not running from the police, but from a mob of people shouting "Get him!" and shooting pistols. You think he still must be guilty if he chose to run from that?