Clover: An all-in-one notebook
cloverapp.co
cloverapp.co
Edit: sometimes I print my notes and for that I use the Vim plugin MarkdownPreview to render to the browser, then print there
Some sad history: I spent years carefully making notes and organizing material in Evernote but realized that I spent much more time curating material than ever using it.
Try searching the macOS store for “Exporter Notes”
I then use Gthnk (http://gthnk.com) to navigate all my markdown files. I sync with dropbox or seafile, but it's the same basic idea.
Gthnk renders to PDF for printing. In fact, a medium-term goal is full import/export via hardcopy, which requires paper-oriented output.
Disclaimer: I'm the author of Gthnk.
I'm more of a developer than an end user but I still cannot stand apps with odd, "ugly" UI. I get this is mostly subjective though.
Edit: I downloaded Markor just to see again. It's actually not as awful as I remember, I do dislike the primary dark purple however. Otherwise, it's quite decent, I might start using it.
This appears to solve a major gripe with OneNote: it is really hard to style and get things looking like I want them to. It also lacks formatted code display - the whole Office suite is surprisingly very behind here. It’s a shame, since I know at least in the past MS used word for their internal technical documentation, so they should be feeling this pain daily.
The competition is fierce, but the offering appears strong enough to overcome my “it’s just another note taking app, haven’t they heard of OneNote” instinct. As a user I’m hoping that OneNote and Doist will pull an Instagram and copy some or all of these features.
I love using software that inspires me with its design.
outline is pretty close, big drawback is that the only auth method is over slack
Note: Displaying email addresses in uppercase is bad UX, since emails are mostly, but not always case insensitive.
There are bazillion apps out there, mostly free or comes with free tier. Unless this is $9.99 or lower, I would never consider. Just my opinion.
And yet, you likely expect regular updates when the OS is updated, a constant stream of bug fixes, and (probably) some improvements. In other words, you expect regular development for a one-time fee of $9.99 or lower.
$9.99 is the cost of about 5 minutes of a skilled programmer's time.
This is not realistic and definitely not sustainable.
That's just the economy of scale. I also think that anything beyond $10 is too pricey. Monthly plan? No way.
Consider, if your argument is taken to its absurd extreme, then you would have to pay for full development of any software you use by yourself. Just running Windows or MacOS would cost you millions if not billions of dollars.
Edit, addendum: you can also view it that the money needed for development is then covered distributedly among the customers. Nobody is expecting others to pay for them but the expense is too big for a few customers to cover it (at least for this type of software).
I hope it doesn't come to that. Because then we'd only end up with apps like Fortnite, Adobe Photoshop, and Microsoft Office. All the specialized apps would be gone, and if you need something in an industry that just isn't that large, well tough luck, because at $9.99/app the developers won't ever make a living.
Look, it's fine to only need mass-market apps. But let other people make niche apps and charge an amount that results in sustainable software development, without criticizing them for subscription pricing.
Subscription pricing is the only sustainable way to maintain a niche app.
Don't get me wrong, it's good that more software is more accessible to more people than ever before, but for a long time we've been at the point where it's very difficult for an app that costs anything up front to succeed on mobile.
But hasn't the market for app sales grown in sheer volume due to the AppStores reaching and channeling millions and millions of potential customers?
You can say more individual developers are making money (at the expense of individual companies), but with the way things are going, we'll never see industry transforming apps like Illustrator, Ableton Live, After Effects emerge from this model.
The main impact the pricing race to the bottom has had on powerful software is that its shifted from a “one-time price charge to and individual” model, to a “subscription price charged to a company” model, e.g., Adobe CS, Figma, Notion, Office, etc...
I suppose there are people who think this is all well and dandy, but to me it’s the biggest step backwards for innovation in our industry since I started my career.
We have free note apps, asana, microsoft onenote, google keep, evernote, heck I am using the default apps that comes with my phone, or even on windows notepad itself.
How much is a niche note taking app worth to you? To me, one time if super premium and bugfree, I can sacrifice $9 which is way above the apps on the market. Premium camera apps are $4-5 and they are packed with very nice tools. KyPass was $6.99 which is a lifesaver. Strava is free, some sysadmin tools I use are ranging from $2-5 on my phone.
I just can't imagine paying monthly subscription fee for note taking app, even if it comes with task management etc.
I've spent a lot of time thinking about this. As someone for whom research + writing are a primary component of daily work, I'm probably a little too willing to play with new note taking apps :)
I think the recent surge is actually a convergence of several different trends:
1. There's always been a decent volume of new note taking apps, in large part because of how tempting they are as a project. They feel both approachable (until you try to build one), and they're such a familiar-yet-blank canvas that it's incredibly easy to come up with a "tweak" that makes yours different.
2. The love people have for Notion, and the so-far success of the company, have made it a more attractive niche for more serious startup-y people. Where you used to see more solo projects, you're now seeing a decent amount of apps built by full teams.
3. Human nature. While I am the first to evangelize the impact taking better notes can have, it has also been my experience that note taking systems are the ultimate bike shed problem. It's easy to tinker with them and try new apps out, believing that you'll find the perfect system that will unlock your inner genius. I think a lot of project management and productivity software has a similar thing going.
Personnally, like many things, I've built a custom script atop git to manage my notes. And another to manage a journal. And another, and another. Just building off of git.
* Dropbox folder called Notebook
* Has a file called Notebook.md which has links to other files: Tasks.md (to do lists with date headers), Blog.md, etc
* VSC with some markdown extensions
* Markdown All In One
* Markdown Preview Enhanced
* mushan.vscode-paste-image
This is a common problem with product landing pages like these. They show off some cool features but don’t do a good job connecting them together as a clear vision that demonstrates insight about the intended users’ situation.
Hopefully it will.
I wonder how it compares to Noteplan (my original inspiration).
I'd love for a really good notes app, but everything these days is in electron and I can't deal with the powerhog.
I'm now using Outlinely and Agenda mainly because of this
I'd bet so.
Both lack the ability to easily add pictures.
Bad iPad integration will be a killer for me though.
Worth a look, I suppose.
The preview mode handles pictures well, but for editing you are stuck with a basic code editor. Using the preview mode I can even navigate to other notes in the same repository via links in the notes.
Might not work for your use case. If it sounds interesting, give it a try.
https://www.firstdata.com/en_us/products/small-business/clov...
Never, ever take notes into a proprietary cloud silo!
* calendar-based navigation (Agenda) * gantt/timeline display * image collages * non-linear organization * command line * dedicated tasks tab * global search * customizable colors, fonts, icons
I'm not saying that Clover is incredible or that your "proprietary cloud silo" paradigm is incorrect, but saying the app mentions literally nothing else is a bit of a stretch.
This is what the website SAYS:
"What if we had a tool that could work in straight lines or… well… not straight lines? [...] We built a new style of text editor from the ground up to better support creative thinking. Clover lets you explode traditional documents and work in a more free-form manner for better brainstorming, mind-mapping, and exploration."
Notice the difference between what YOU said, and what the WEBSITE says? You produced a useful list of features; the website blabbers in incomprehensible marketing-speak.