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>databases, VMs, etc

You should disable CoW and Caching on the filesystem/-set where VM and Databases-files reside, but that counts for ZFS as well...well for all CoW-FS's in fact.

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I understand disabling CoW for databases, as the DB itself will manage it, but why disable caching?

Depends on the RDBMS, but for big ones it's common practice to tune[0] them to allocate a big chunk of memory (or all of it) and let them manage caching by themselves. After all, they know better about the structure of the db files than the OS.

[0]https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Tuning_Your_PostgreSQL_Serv... Relevant parameters: effective_cache_size/shared_buffers/work_mem

Oracle offers a document for running their database on ZFS.

https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris10/...

"The number one rule for setting up an Oracle database on ZFS is to set ZFS recordsize equal to the database block size for the file systems that contain the Oracle data files."

"Starting with Oracle Solaris 11.1, blocks that are referenced from either the snapshot or from the database image actually share ZFS cache buffers for a reduced memory footprint."

"Taking a snapshot of a database can involve placing the database in hot-backup mode just for the instant necessary to capture the ZFS snapshot. The database can then be returned to normal operation."

"A clone is a full read/write accessible fork of the original database. Therefore, by using either the primary or a replicated storage system, you can cheaply create hundreds of copies of your up-to-date database to run test and development workloads under real data conditions."

They also allow compression of the archived (intent) logs.

In case of Postgres it knows better what to cache, you can let zfs additionally cache but it's a bit of waste, better give that ram to postgres than to Arc.

I think PostgreSQL actually is a bit of an odd one in that it relies on the OS to do proper caching of whatever data is read from disk. It has its own buffers for various things, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't (yet) implement its own disk cache.

No, with ZFS you just tune the recordsize of the dataset to match your database record size.

I don't think CoW can be disabled on ZFS... which is fine because VMs and databases pretty well with ZFS, even with CoW (a block size adjustment might be needed, though).

Yes true, but with Databases you should change the recordsize to 8 or 16k (Mysql or Postgres) and tune full_page_writes in postgres to off (zfs takes care of that), and just cache the metadata because the postgres-cache is better informed of what to cache.

How does ZFS avoid the performance pitfalls of btrfs's CoW implementation for VMs and databases?

Can you explain the reasoning for this?

On a copy-on-write filesystem, modification of part of a file means fragmenting it, which carries a large performance penalty. Disabling the CoW behavior means you either cannot take snapshots of the file, or that snapshots need to duplicate the file in its entirety, but it allows for quick modification of the file in-place without fragmenting.

Is that assuming HDDs not SSDs ?

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