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I honestly don’t think they do.

I really think that’s just a personal project of a Russian billionaire that has enough free time and pretty much unlimited resources.

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Yeah, that’s what their website claims. But it isn’t.

Normally I’d ask you for some kind of proof, but I know you won’t be able to output any of it.

Proof? The ICO they did isn’t enough? They act as a business, Durov keeps control, it did not create a foundation or a non-profit. What extra proof do you need?

I totally understand where you're coming from but in order to be better than Durov who claimed Signal had backdoor without any evidence, we can't say he's selling user data without evidence.

We also can't claim he's secretly handing all non-end-to-end encrypted group chats and one-on-one messages to Kremlin, or that he's an oligarch who made his money by spying on Vkontakte users. We also can't say it's extremely suspicious his arrest warrant only lasted two months, or that journalists who visited Telegram offices in Dubai heard the company Telegram shared floor with had never even seen Telegram employees enter the offices. There is no evidence Telegram is an intelligence agency front. None. We should periodically remind people of this.

The fact that there’s no proofs, alone, says something. Telegram has been around for 7 years. There’s no external funding and yet the project lives and grows. It’s either being funded from the Durov’s pocket, or from elsewhere. Take your pick.

To better understand who Durov is, look up the story about him throwing money to a crowd out of a window of his VK office.

He also believed that foreigners should be able to buy land in Russia to create small states within the country.

I would not (and I do not) believe in good intentions of this guy, at all. And in fact it is you (or Durov himself) who should provide a proof that Telegram is not getting funded by governments, being one of the most popular communication tools around. Especially after the failed ICO. The source of funds should be transparent.

Public estimates of his net worth are hard to believe.

Not a billionaire, at most 2-3 hundred megabucks cash as his Russian assets are rendered effectively worthless, and he burned himself a lot trying himself in investments, real estate, and, in general, burning money on expensive things, including telegram, like no tomorrow.

I am still very suspicious at how he managed to flout around Kremlin for so long.

> I am still very suspicious at how he managed to flout around Kremlin for so long.

His first successful project (VK) was founded and gained popularity partially using money of really weird investors some of whom were related to Kremlin.

Also keep in mind that Russia was just a kleptocracy until around 2008-2010 and only after 2012 when Putin decide to get back presidency everything started to go really sour. So it's not surprise they taken control of the company away from him shortly after.

Why are the people is downvoting me? Did Durov create a non-profit or a foundation lately?

Telegram it’s currently a business and Durov keeps the control...

>Why are the people is downvoting me?

Because you made a definitive claim without providing any evidence, or even your line of reasoning.

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