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I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to sacrifice a lot of my freedom to prevent unhealthy or old people to die. You could tell me that I'm wrong, but as far as I know, I'm the only one able to know how I want to live my life

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That's the thing though...You don't need to lock yourself inside, just wear a damn mask when you go do your stuff. For example, I wear a mask to go run on the boardwalk because I like running there. It honestly takes 0 effort to wear the mask and I get to do what I want.

Sure, you can be selfish, but you're also negatively impacting society and saying that you don't care. You do you, but I don't get it.

I'm not against wearing a mask, but I'm against closing the gyms

I do think it's best if we are able to do certain things with appropriate precautions (masks inside, things outside when possible, etc).

Sorry if I was a bit harsh - had someone yell "America" at me while running with a mask the other day but I shouldn't project that frustration onto others.

If a gym can't be open and avoid killing people who don't actually use the gym then it can't be open. Classic example of your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.

Oh come on. How is just wearing a mask or working out at home during a global pandemic that's literally killing millions "sacrificing a lot of my freedom". You're selfish, and kids in history classes are going to look back on people like you forever and question why people were so selfish and stupid.

>literally killing millions

If you're going to attack others for their alleged ignorance maybe you should get basic numbers right? Covid hasn't killed 'millions', it hasn't even killed one million people. You're off by at least an order of magnitude.

Well, we’re at 800k “official” numbers, but when looking at excess deaths for countries with data available vs official numbers nearly all are undercounting the COVID deaths, or at least were at some point. There can be many reasons for this, such as the testing capacity at the beginning of the outbreak but I would definitely say we are over 1 Million.

This can be put on a T-shirt and used as effective anti-American propaganda.

What about their freedoms? You're a spoiled brat. Me, me, me, me, me! All about me!

What do you have a problem with, mask wearing or social distancing? Or the lockdown?

Closing the gyms has always been the worst thing to me. Do anything you want but don't close the gym

Most fit poeple I know are still working out. Then again, they actually are fit, not pretending to be such at a gym.

This is uncalled for. Lot of exercises cannot be done at home without required equipment unless you are a Hollywood actor and have a huge mansion with private gym and equipment. Think of weight lifting, power lifting etc. Impossible to do at home for most people (meaning not rich 0.1%).

Powerlifting can’t be done at home? That’s strange, almost all of r/formcheck seems to be in home gyms.

Power rack: $300-500

Weights: $200-800

Bench: $100

Bar: $75-100

Plywood and rubber: $40-100 max

You are assuming you have spare room for this equipment (ignoring that the prices you quoted are quite high and actually it costs more for serious equipment if you want realistic weights of 200-300 pounds which is not even that heavy).

I rent a room in downtown of a big city and I simply don't have space for equipment (my room is mostly just bed with small kitchen and bathroom). Don't assume everybody is rich and owns a house with spare room / garage where you can put equipment.

I am 30+ years old and never lived in a place where I would have spare space for gym equipment. You must be very privileged if you have that (top 1% at least).

Thanks for downvote though.

I didn’t downvote you. (I don’t downvote if it’s worth commenting.) If I had to guess, people downvoted the hyperbolic nature of your comment. Lifting is clearly a middle class activity. If it’s too expensive for a working software developer, then they have other priorities, which is fine.

And by the way I looked at that reddit and almost all posts are from the gym, to do any of those exercises (seriously, I mean normal weight like 200-300 pounds for squats or deadlift) at home you must be very rich and have a large house with basically a private gym.

I agree it’s hard for city apartment dwellers to build a home gym (although a set of kettlebells can get most people by). But anyone with a small house and/or a spare room can easily and fairly inexpensively build a home gym.

I agree, if you got a house with spare room then it should be easy to build a basic gym, if you don't drive and don't need car, you can even use garage as a small gym. But in apartments it's not so easy unless they are quite big. Once I own a house I would probably convert garage into a gym as I don't really have interest in cars or driving.

Lots of people don't have SPACE for a home gym regardless of cost of materials. This is especially true in the cities.

Floor with a high enough pounds per square feet: ~5-10K

Yeah consider the additional rent you have to pay excluding the machines. An additional room for your apartment is more expensive than a $50 gym subscription.

Yes, I agree that a second floor apartment is a bad place for a gym. I disagree that this equipment is the domain of the super rich. What I listed is less than the cost of a decent, not fancy, road bike.

This is a very America-centric comment. Not everyone has that much expendable income, nor do they have a big house to build their private gym in.

A person can workout on the cheap though, and still gain strength and mass. A few kettlebells and a pull up bar can deliver a crushing workout to even the most in fit person. Kettlebells in particular are easily portable.

I don't think I can deadlift 140kg+ with a few kettlebells.

As someone who power lifted for many years I get it. I needed > 500 pounds in order to max. But, I also know that's on the extreme end. Even then though, give me a 70+ pound kettlebell and I can crush my posterior chain using cleans and snatches.

It is possible to get good workouts with minimal equipment.

Pull up bar is not something I can't install in my apartment as landlord won't approve. I am only renting so can't do many modifications here. I would love to have that option.

The door frame pull up bars are non-permanent, and can work in many cases. At most you might have to paint a bit.

If you're in a city there has to a playground nearby providing all sorts of options.

I think people just get too tied to a gym, when there are countless options to get really good workouts if the gym is unavailable for a period of time.

Good luck finding equipment at those prices. I was looking to pick up some extra equipment a little while back and everywhere was either sold out or crazy marked up because everyone is trying to build a home gym now. Just rechecked dick sporting goods and "Due to exceptional demand, Weight Sets are unavailable in your area".

Without a gym I'm not going to work out at all. Gyms are for people who don't get enough exercise in their daily life.

>I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to sacrifice a lot of my freedom to prevent unhealthy or old people to die. You could tell me that I'm wrong, but as far as I know, I'm the only one able to know how I want to live my life

The problem is that you are effectively deciding how others live their lives through your careless actions. Everyone should have a say on how they want to live their lives, not just you.

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