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I can't put my finger on its validity, but it all resonates the same to me:

- Listening to billionaires arguing with each other about what society should be for the benefit of all since this recession started

- Trillions and billions of dollar companies battling it out as if they were the underdog in the public arena for the sympathy of us mere wage earners.

The pervading sense I think from Left to Right is the system is rotten and we're mere spectators being told to root for one unfathomably rich entity vs another unfathomably rich entity. You can almost understand the anarchist, burn it all down meme.

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I partly agree, but I think it's awesome that a huge company is taking on the fight instead of "negotiating" special fee adjustments like Amazon is doing in the backroom.

If the fight is successful, that will benefit everyone.

The funny part here is that Epic is partly owned by a Chinese company, just makes the whole 1984 just that more ironic, but hey, we live in a clown world now so get used to it.

That's how I felt like when I got the Google+ class action lawsuit email. Potential payout of $12... oh ok, thanks. I guess that also fixes similar problems in the future?

Burn it all down. Create a new society formed from mutual aid and non-heirchial power structures. Capitalism is the disease.

There was a great deal of "burn it all down" sentiment around Trump's election. From my perspective, it wasn't and isn't productive. I'd rather see energy behind a sentiment like "real reform now" instead.

This is the first week in two months that there have been fewer than a million new unemployment applications. There are a million jobs and 40,000,000 unemployed. Evictions are starting, and noon to night in courthouses across the country it's people losing their housing, probably forever. But Bezos is doing all right, he's up a few billion so he'll let it ride. And Congress must agree, because they're taking a break until Labor Day.

Reform what? What's left to reform?

Great ideology. Shame we’ll all starve or kill each other on the way and it’ll turn to shit the moment someone is more equal than someone else...

No no no, that's because you didn't burn it down the right way. You just need to fundamentally change human behavior and motivations for it to work. I don't get why this is so hard to understand

I can understand the desire for

> Burn it all down. Create a new society formed from mutual aid and non-heirchial power structures.

But that does not exclude capitalism, and capitalism is not inherently evil.

>Create a new society formed from ... non-heirchial power structures.

Has there been a functional example of that? I guess perhaps hunter gatherers but not sure that scales.

Of course it doesn't scale. The idea of it needing to scale is part of the problem. When we implement scale, people get lost in the aggregate, their voices drowned out by their apposited group.

Stop making strawman arguments around billionaires and trillion $$ companies. The only company which can take on Apple is another large company with passionate user following. Small developers like you and me just come here on Hacker News and argue. But it leads to nothing as Apple simply ignores us.

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