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It should be opt-in AND unvaccinated ppl should never face consequences in the future.

I know some childhood vaccinations are required here, but I’m not aware of any adult vaccinations that are generally required. Possibly flu shots for health care workers?

If you travel, vaccinations are sometimes not optional, depending on the destination.

The point of having a vaccine is to stop the spread of the disease. For that to work, we may need to mandate that people are vaccinated, and I am ok with that.

No, sorry. My body. My choice.

Nope, not when your choice affects the rest of us.

I tend to agree with the "no mandataroy vaccination" thought.

I'm no anti-vaxxer, nor a believer in the "plandemic". But the vaccine should be voluntary and highly recommended for at risk groups. After all, they're the ones who would be impacted the most.

> I'm no anti-vaxxer, nor a believer in the "plandemic". But the vaccine should be voluntary and highly recommended for at risk groups. After all, they're the ones who would be impacted the most.

That would not work. The high risk group would then get infected by other people. A vaccine isn't perfect. Similarly for people affected where you did not know beforehand that they would have a bad effect.

OK I see your point.

But then, if this is like the seasonal flu, then we'd have to be vaccinated regularly?

this is what people mean by a disease becoming endemic aka (with us).

It's not only the 'at risk' who would benefit from not getting the disease: many people who have been infected have not completely recovered, and it's not clear what the long term effects of the disease may be. Other than that, if we want to stop the spread then a high percentage of people will need to be vaccinated, which is difficult when personal freedom is put above all else.

So long as you don't mind being 'sent to Coventry' by the rest of us.

Not when the health outcomes will financially cripple us all. We simply can not afford to continue having mass outbreaks of this disease. It costs absolute fortunes to deal with the immediate crisis, and fortunes more over the long term dealing with survivors’ continued ill health. “My choice” is simply not compatible with maintaining a healthcare system or even a productive economy.

You mean consequences outside of drowning in their own fluids?

Look at the death rates for people under 45...it's like 1 in 10,000. In some cities and for certain age brackets, you're more likely to be murdered or commit suicide than to die from Covid. The car accident fatality rate is roughly 1 in 10,000.

It's not just the death rate.

It's long term physical damage even if you survive.

Vast majority of people who contract this illness don't even show symptoms at all. That's what's weird about this disease. It seems to affect the elderly disproportionately but for younger people and people with no risk factors, the risk is exceedingly low that one will experience SARS at all.

If you're not affected by covid-19 but something else you'll still have a problem if the hospital is overwhelmed due to covid-19. I've noticed various countries in Europe where they delayed various hospitalizations. Similarly, various people avoided going to a hospital while they usually would go.

How many people will have permanent problems (despite surviving) due to covid-19 is still unknown AFAIK.

Did they delay or avoid hospitalization because the hospitals are overwhelmed, or because treatments/diagnostics to their conditions were deemed non-essential or elective?

Yea, sorry, but I have to call anecdotal bs on these claims. Every person in the news I've seen that claims long term problems are obese individuals looking to make excuses. Other "damages" are so random and all over the place, it smells like correlation rather than causation. You know when someone might say they have head lice and your head gets all itchy suddenly, then you think you might have lice too. Theres a whole lot of that going on when it comes to relating other health problems to Covid. Dont forget, it's super sexy right now to be a covid survivor. People get a whole lot of attention for it.

For a forum that loves to call out anecdotal bias all the time, when it comes to Covid, everyone here jumps on the fear bandwagon of the news and on really poorly done studies with only a few dozen participants or epidemiologies.

> Every person in the news I've seen that claims long term problems are obese individuals looking to make excuses.

You should watch a more diverse media, then, because there are more than a few fabulously fit people who are no longer able to compete, or even continue, their sport.

Anecdotal and it sounds more like they have tiny heart syndrome flaring up. Part B, again, it's sexy to "Oh my goodness, my life is so difficult now since I survived covid. Look at me, I'm a covid survivor, my life is so altered." It's all cherry picked cases that the media are throwing out there. Cherry picked anecdotes, something in any other HN topic would get you lambasted.

Guess my response to all that is to roll my eyes and walk away. Cynicism is boring.

Here are some first-person stories of runners who survived covid with lasting effects: https://www.reddit.com/r/Garmin/comments/i9n1pa/first_run_po...

What are you talking about? What drowning? The clinical picture hasn't been that different compared to previous years with outbreaks of respiratory illnesses. In fact in some countries the death rates have actually been lower. The only reason this year we are talking about it is because for some reason it became a huge media thing. There was no reason previous years to not talk about respiratory illnesses. They have always been serious thing and people are dying each year from them. They have always been dangerous to elderly people and people with other illnesses. I feel like I'm living in a parallel universe all of a sudden.

> The only reason this year we are talking about it is because for some reason it became a huge media thing

Well, something seems to be different this year:

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

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