My interview with murderer Hans Reiser
salon.com
salon.com
I think that being treated fairly is a pretty important point. It's pretty obvious now that he was guilty; but, from what I've read, at the time of the trial the prosecution didn't come close to meeting their burden.
I would prefer to have a system where everyone is treated fairly, and some guilty men go free.
Robert Nozick raised an interesting question about this problem. Any system of determining guilt has some false positive rate (let's call it X). You can trivially cut X in half by flipping a coin after determining a person's guilt and only actually considering them guilty if the coin is heads.
I've always heard that it's better to let 10 guilty men go than let one innocent man go to jail. What about 11? 15? 100? 1000? Assuming we can accurately gauge our current jury system's effectiveness (and we can at least come up with a reasonable lower bound using appeal data), it would be trivial to achieve whatever ratio we desired using a simple RNG. So, what's the magic number (1:10, etc.)? And should we do so?
And yes, the reporter was being a total asshole.
Sure they did. It was circumstantial evidence, but when you put it together it seems rather overwhelming.
1. He had taken out the front seat of his car
2. He had hosed down the interior
3. He had his passport and several thousand dollars in cash on him.
4. He kept removing the battery from his cellphone, after he was interrogated by police.
5. He bought a few books on homicide investigation, after his wifes homicide investigation began.
6. He lawyered up quickly.
Numbers 1-3 seem very reasonable for someone living in their car. 4-5 make sense for someone who has just been interrogated by the police. And 6 is always a good idea - for anybody - before talking to the police.
Taken with the fact that his wife was dating (and recently broke up with) a confessed serial killer I'd say we have reasonable doubt.
He was, of course, guilty - I just don't think you could reasonably conclude it from the evidence presented at the trial. I think Plato said that knowledge must be "justified true belief." I don't think the jury could have known that he was guilty at the time they convicted him, because such a belief wasn't justified.
It's kind of like a broken clock that just blinks '12:00.' By looking at that clock you can't know that it's noon, even if it incidentally is at that moment.
smanek, I'm guessing you weren't in the courtroom to observe Hans during the proceedings. Judging from what I've read I think Hans's courtroom behavior and crazy explanations led the jury to find him guilty. I'm glad he didn't take his lawyers' advice to keep his mouth shut.
If you're guilty, the same is true. Don't confess unless you want to go to jail!
I think the only people qualified to decide that were the members of the jury. The vast majority of the rest of us had only hearsay to go on.
To be fair, Elliott's hatred of Reiser is a little further up the phylogenetic tree, at least on the invertebrate branch. Other than that, the article doesn't say much about the crime or the trial, about Reiser's marriage to a venal Russian bride, or much of anything else. What we do learn is that Elliott is an opportunist who hung around Reiser's trial, managed to get an interview, and gets miffed because Reiser didn't give him what he wanted. The whole purpose was to give readers enough of a bad taste to purchase his book. Elliott is so unsympathetic, he unintentionally forces the reader's identification with Reiser when he turns his back to Elliott and asks the guard to be returned to his cell.
Every bone in my body wants to projectile vomit upon reading that crud.
I find it to be just another case of math envy, the imbecile KNOWS that he could never in a million years achieve 1% of what Reiser has achieved, however Reiser is now a convicted murderer, thus the idiot can now feel better about himself, and hurl contempt and scorn on Reiser.
I also find the general tone of the article to be awful insidious.
I thought this article was interesting because the author had spent a lot of time watching Reiser in court and might be speaking some truth about Reiser's personality.
Is there anyone here that knew Reiser more intimately than this journalist, and could give us some feedback?
Oh really? What about those trained to kill? Such as those in the military?
This is a tangent, but I'm curious...
When soldiers are learning to kill an enemy that may not even exist, they have very different motivations when compared to someone that is planning to kill a personal enemy.
I believe that both individuals and nations have the right of self-defense, so I don't hold contempt for anyone that is learning to kill in order to defend himself or the people he has a responsibility to defend.
Notice how he attempts to belittle Reiser, how he throws in the "genius" word . . .
I have been the focus of that sort of envy before, and it is written ALL over that nitwit's piece.
He's pathetic.
Just saying, is all.
You make no sense whatsoever dude.
As to the antisocial bit, I'm not going to quote your posts in their entirety, but that's a pretty big chip you've got on your shoulder, man.
Come on bud, get real.
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and so vehementI don't think any further progress is going to be made here.
Now, if I had MEANT (and yet not precisely written) what you insist I stated, I would say so, and debate my point based on that. That, however, wasn't the case, and I HATE IT when people put words in my mouth (or writing) I can't fn stand it, and I think you noticed, and simply baited me.
You really come off like an MBA or some other type of suit clad miscreant - never thought I would run into your type of reaction on a forum for HACKERS. It is rather ironic that yours is basically the type of reaction I have gotten from the crowd at work that I made reference to earlier.
"I had written a book, and his story was crucial to it, but the book was really about me."
He interviewed Reiser purely for material for his book about what he thinks of murderers (spoiler: murderers are bad). Given this, it's not surprising that he would sell a chapter to Salon for money and publicity. The article is not journalism, it's part of an autobiography largely unrelated to Reiser that nevertheless capitalizes on the publicity surrounding his trial.
Hans Reiser is merely a wife-beater, liar, sociopath, and murderer. He's completely worthy of the writer's utter contempt and scorn.
That really gets under my skin, people who play armchair psychologist/psychiatrist. Why? Because I have been victimized at work (back when I used to be an employee) by that very same type of ignorant joker.
"Oh, he has PERSONALITY problems."
RIGHT, I have PERSONALITY PROBLEMS, simply because I am not a lying, cheating, backstabbing, envious little slacker like the majority of the sheeple at the office.
Sigh.
Ok, I admit I have become emotional about this, but my original point still stands: non mental health care professionals have NO business voicing "diagnosis" about ANYONE'S mental health (or lack thereof)
Note the experience of the psychologist who tried the experiment of getting himself committed by impersonating a schizophrenic to doctors at the ER, who then took quite a while to get released: all the patients knew he was sane, but the doctors, once he had been labelled, were very hard to convince otherwise.
And your comparisons are quite amusing, even if simple . . . you went from teaching, to cutting hair, and finally to programming . . . and this is in a discussion revolving around mental health care. Interesting, considering that there is simply no comparison between any of the four activities.
How dare you equate programming to cutting hair.
EDIT: before you even go there, the word "professional" does not only apply to those with credentials.