Why shaving dulls even the sharpest of razors
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The classic solution to this problem is to grind the secondary bevel more obtusely so that there is more material to "support" the edge. This results in a knife that is less sharp, but more durable. That may be a tradeoff that razor manufacturers are not willing to make.
2. There are already steel making processes that are designed to make more homogenous steel. The most famous one is probably CPM (Crucible Particle Metallurgy):
Instead of pouring an ingot (where the additives have a chance to settle into a non-homogenous state, they basically pour the steel through something similar to a shot tower - making lots of tiny homogenous micro-ingots that they later fuse together in what is essentially a sintering process. The end result is a much more homogenous ingot. Practical testing shows that steel made in this way is more performant, although it presumably increases the manufacturing cost.
There are some nice wear images off the site below as well.
Impact testing: http://www.pm-v11.com/TestingImpact.aspx
Wear testing: http://www.pm-v11.com/TestingWear.aspx
Sharpening: http://www.pm-v11.com/TestingSharpening.aspx
Specifically: while it's very hard to make a particular steel perform better, it's very easy to make a particular steel perform more poorly. I'm not claiming that they purposefully engaged in malfeasance, I'm just generally skeptical.
I'm particularly skeptical of their claim that it outperforms CPM-M4, which is generally used for bladesports[1] for its ability to take a fine edge and resist mechanical edge deformation. I'm not surprised by the difficulty they had in sharpening it, though.
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Razors are so cheap ($0.10 each) that there is simply no reason to make them worse in order to last longer when virtually everyone would rather they work as well as possible and spend another 10 cents a week.
Gillette double-edge safety razor blades are about 0.10 USD each. Gillette cartridge razors are about 6 USD each.
The former is "expensive razor handle, cheap blades". The latter is "cheap razor handle, expensive blades". The more expensive cartridge razors don't provide a superior shave, but are much much safer to use.
A safety razor handle costs as much as a pack of cartridge razor blades.
The keywords to lookup would be "wet shaving" to find out more about the safety razors.
You say that like double edge blades are super unsafe. At worst if you are unskilled you end up with a minor cut which you just stick a band aid over and are perfectly fine.
Unfortunately I seem to have the best shaving experience with gillette blades. I tried Harry's and other brands, but then I tried gillette again and it was markedly better.
No matter what you can easily afford a 100 blade pack which will last forever, create less trash than modern razor blades and with a bit of pratice the shave will be at least as good.
Other blades I can recommend: Derby Premium (black). They are at about 5€-8€ for a 100 and of good quality and sharpness.
They are coated in platinum, each blade lasts about a week, and when I bought my 100 pack, it was 25 cents per blade, although now it's up 38 cents on Amazon.
For the razor, I also use a feather razor, about $160, which is expensive, but one will last a lifetime.
https://www.amazon.com/Feather-Stainless-Steel-Double-Edge-A...
YMMV, but the feather razor is extremely safe and easy to use, although you don't have the same level of control as with other razors. It's a good beginner's razor but I've stuck with it. Shaving is dead simple, I never get cuts, and I don't even use any shaving cream, I shave after getting out of the shower and the hairs are already soft.
Take care! :)
PS. The blades have this psychological marketing trick of the blue indicator bar, where once it is worn away it is supposedly time to get new blades. Just ignore and use as long as it shaves. Your mileage may vary compared to me, but I'm still getting rid of quite heavy-duty stubbles without issue.
I don't know why, but I nick and bleed very easily.
My brother (and former roommate) is a cutthroat partisan. He's kinda nutty about tools, precision, etc. Such a great shave. But somehow his face is more durable than mine.
I've tried every kind of shaving.
My Braun 5 is the best product purchase I've ever made. In any category. It's not the greatest shave, for my face. But I never bleed, or get a rash.
I'm on my third Braun. I keep the retired unit for traveling.
YMMV.
Not sure about that. I generally do 2 passes with both cartridge or safety razor.
I had started with safety razor, then moved to cartridges for many years, and now am back to safety razor, with a better razor.
Safety razor probably take a couple of extra minutes since I'm slightly more careful with it than am with cartridges.
I read that it is hard to shave the upper lip area with one of these.
I fill up a coffee can with the used blades (it takes years to do so) and have a place I can take them locally.
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Shavettes are extremely affordable, like $10 for the base. Unlike a "real" straight razor, shavettes never require sharpening since they just use standard disposable single-edge blades, or a double-edge blade split in half.
Shaving with a double edge instead of using a disposable is comparable to preparing your own dinner rather than going to McDonald's. It's a skill, it takes time, it's far for economical, there's a ritual to it, and it's enjoyable. It's also a uniquely positive masculine thing (and I think that that does matter) and one day I can pass the razor to my son or grandson.
> Merkur 5C
If someone knows someone in Sweden who will do a good job of making my straight razor... well, razor sharp, I'm all ears.
In the past I have used fiber optic polishing film, it works and cost around $1 a sheet. It must be stuck to a very flat surface like a glass table or your bathroom mirror. You want something in the range of 1-10 micron.
This blog describes why denim works so well: https://scienceofsharp.com/2016/04/14/simple-straight-razor-...
But I do have to shave my head and I just can't figure out how to use a safety razor or straight razor for that. I keep cutting myself. The margins seems to be quite narrow and boy does your head bleed if you cut it...so I am stuck with cartridge razors which actually works really well. Just means spending more money and dealing with clogging.
Derby or Feather blades and a cheap €15 handle. I try to shave once with the grain, once sideways. The blade is held at quite am angle but with very little pressure.
I still have many Derby blades and the safety razor from my non-beared times. Might give it another shot.
But even with a good brush, which is as essential as a sharp blade for that kind of shaving, it just cannot compete in my opinion. It takes longer and is more bloody. Boy did razors made technological improvements, I think the plastic ones really can compete today.
It looks easy how barbers do it but it is another thing if you do it in front of a mirror.
Also - I've got a cheap beard trimming machine I bought 10 years ago. I use it every week or two, and I haven't replaced the blades even once (I don't think it's even replacable) - still works fine.
It seems the solution is to use blades that are almost dull?
I've tried every form of razor and - despite all the folklore - the best[0] shaves for me are to be had by electric shavers, which operate on this principal. These have a foil which the hair can protrude past, then it is sheered off by either rotating or oscilating "blades" that push the hair against the foil.
It's like a pair of scissors, which can operate when "dull" - because there's something to push against, they don't need to be nearly as sharp.
[0] "best" meaning a combination of least discomfort, time efficiency, and closeness - a safety razor against the grain can get closer, but it's a miserable experience
I always find myself falling for this sort of 'Well of course the answer is <simplified answer that is wrong>'
Edit: I've posted to /r/ImageStabilization/ for that first image - https://www.reddit.com/r/ImageStabilization/comments/i54p9s/...
https://www.bruceonshaving.com/2010/11/17/palm-stropping-raz...
[edit] Sorry, as Someone1234 points out I actually meant cartridge razor
I shave with a straight razor, but I'm lazy and use a Feather with disposable blades. Before that I used aluminum hair shaper blades, like what the barber uses on the back of your neck (very sharp and thin, but an aluminum alloy). Such blades are far sharper than a real straight razor and cause razor burn more easily. I always sort of suspected as much. I tried using a traditional straight razor several times, but I couldn't get used to it. The feel is just too different. Several years ago I popped into a barbershop where the owner did a lot of traditional straight razor work (very rare these days), and he confirmed everything--a traditional straight razor has a softer, rounder edge--and disposable blades, like my Feather blades, are far too sharp in his opinion.
For similar reasons, thinner, harder blades are more likely to nick you because the microscopic chips tear into your skin more easily. By contrast, as a traditional straight razor gets dull it stops working as well but doesn't become more dangerous.
Same thing applies to chef knives. You can use a "steel" on Western knives because the metal is traditionally softer and has a blunter profile and edge. (If it's a cheap stainless pressed steel, not uncommon in typical commercial kitchens--neighborhood joint, not Michelin--you can literally feel the edge rolled over on a dull knife, which steeling rolls back.) A traditional Japanese knife is more like a straight razor blade--harder steel, thinner profile, sharper edge which you maintain with a strop and waterstone--but still softer and blunter than manufactured razor blades. A cleaver, Western or Asian, is supposed to be very hard (often a cheap but very high carbon steel) but also very blunt. You can't steel or strop it; when it gets too dull you have to grind it or, if you have time to kill, resharpen with a stone. (Confirmed with a Chinese butcher years ago.)
https://nanofabrication.tumblr.com/post/145006851641/ever-wo...
No idea if it means they are sharper or last longer though.
In short, everything you do to work on a knife edge removes material. The difference is in how aggressively it does it, and to which angle.
If the edge on your knife keeps rolling over or creating a burr just from using it, you're sharpening it to an angle too acute for the steel to properly support.
In my experience, by far the most important tool is the strop. I can get dull knives shaving sharp with a 240-grit stone and a strop in a couple of minutes, though usually I take my knives to 3000, because it's easier on the strop.
A strop with paste is a different beast, IMO. You didn't traditionally use a paste with stropping. I'd bet the rise of pastes, which seem kind of gimmicky, is related to a loss of traditional expertise and knowledge about the function of the strop. Relatedly, because of the rise of safety and cartridge razors, people are accustomed to extremely sharp edges. A traditional straight razor shave feels harsher--more pressure and pulling--than people expect. Utterly unrealistic depictions on TV and film don't help, either. For years I thought I just really sucked at sharpening and honing my traditional straight razors (one of which is a very expensive Thiers Issard given as a gift), but after several traditional straight razor shaves at barbershops, which were consistently harsher than the hairshaper and Feather I normally use, and the discussion with that one barber who was an expert on straight razors, I realized it wasn't my poor blade sharpening skills--well, not just my poor skills. Traditional straight razors just were never meant to be as sharp as manufactured, disposable blades, and can't be unless you want to spend more time maintaining the blade than actually using it. Similarly, if you're constantly removing material the blade won't last very long as it depletes beyond a useful profile. Contrast that with wood planes and chisels, which tend to have very deep, thick profiles because of the need for more frequent sharpening and material removal; you need that depth so the angle of attack diminishes less as it shortens, otherwise you'd need to compensate with a more fragile bevel, which would just accelerate the process.
Steeling might remove some material, especially when used on harder steels, but in the particular case of pressed stainless I don't think so. (But would be happy to see evidence to the contrary.) Traditional stainless steels (not new alloys with, e.g., molybdenum) are relatively soft. It's part of the reason why they're considered more resilient than traditional steels. They tend to have higher shear and tensile strength than non-hardened steels; they'll deform more before they break so they absorb energy better. So, for example, a stainless steel screw is closer to the resiliency of nails in terms of sheer strength than regular screws. Moreover, a pressed knife almost by definition needs to be made of relatively soft metal. One of my first jobs was working in a kitchen where we used horribly cheap pressed stainless knives for preparing chicken strips. After slicing a bag of chicken breasts you could actually feel the edge rolled over, like a letter J. (EDIT: rolled over is a poor description; if it were completely rolled over deformation by steeling would never work given the direction of the stroke. Note that the letter J isn't upturned on my font.) We'd always have to steel the knifes at least once or twice a shift. If steeling removed that material you'd have metal burrs everywhere, including in your food.
Maybe steeling traditional Western chef knives does remove material. But if so I wouldn't be surprised if the benefit is in tearing the edge, effectively making a micro-serrated edge that works better than an otherwise dulled edge. Still, I'm dubious that's the primary function if it is at all. Everything I've read and experienced (as a home cook, at least) is that Western knifes traditionally use softer steel, and steeling is for deformation/reformation of the edge without removing material.[1] Steeling a traditional Japanese knife, or especially a straight razor, is verboten because of the potential for chipping, macro or micro. I'd never shave with a straight razor that had been steeled, though I confess I've never tried that specifically.
That said, I admit the purpose and mechanical action of steeling is debated. I see conflicting discussions (not formal material) all the time, including from professional chefs, and I try not to discount people's experiences. Plus, it's not uncommon for the reality of something to differ than the theory even when the same result (e.g. easier cutting) is obtained. And times have changed. Modern alloys have different properties than traditional steels, so it's entirely possible the steeling action is different on many newer knifes than older ones.
[1] Indeed, IIUC, the very conclusion of the research article suggests that if steeling worked by cutting material rather than deformation, you'd end up with significant microchipping and by definition a less sharp and uniform edge.
This is by far the best resource I've found for explaining sharpening and the concepts of sharpness vs. keenness: https://scienceofsharp.com/
I don't go nearly to that level of effort in sharpening, as I only sharpen pocket knives, kitchen knives and various tools, I don't bother with straight razors (or any razors at all, but that's a different matter).
Unfortunately this is at odds with the interests of blade manufacturers, so I doubt we’ll see better blades anytime soon - at least from the current manufacturers.
As far as I understand the variety of safety razor blades, there's not a race to the bottom where the more-expensive blades don't sell.
Insofar as shaving can be a luxury activity, I think it's possible there's room for more higher price for more durable blades for safety razors.
e.g. The bestsellers here https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Beauty-Mens-Replacement-... lists a pack of 8 refills for cartridge razors for 24 USD. Searching for "safety razor blades" shows a pack of 100 for 7 USD - 11 USD, and I see a 50 pack for 15 USD.
I once got the Derby blades [0], $5.59 for 100. I still have around 90 of them left somewhere in the attic because I got what I paid for. Now, I use Feather blades, about the same price for only 10, but one blade lasts me multiple month and I get better results. But as you said, with safety razor blades you only pay a fraction compared to cartridges anyway ;)
[0]: https://www.amazon.de/Shaving-Factory-Derby-Professional-Ras...
Interestingly, the difference between Astra and Polsilver is not much to warrant the price difference. So, when I'm done with my 100+ Astra and 100+ Polsilver, I'll probably just get more Astra. :)
I pair those with Arko and my shaves have never been better.
If this works well it would take off for the male shaving market alone, could we skip big corps are evil this time?
Even if it's a 10% improvement, it's not the Neuromancer future we were promised but someone will license it and raise prices by 10% just for the novelty.
a) Price. You save a huge amount of money over time.
b) Ritual. I really enjoy whipping up the soap with my brush, and lathering up my face before shaving with my safety razor.
c) Efficiency. If you don’t shave every day (I sometimes don’t for up to a week), cartridges get clogged way too quickly with thicker hair while my safety razor can easily handle it.
After using multi-blade cartridges my entire adult life, I switched to a shavette (disposable blade straight razor) a few months ago and it pretty much immediately solved all of the skin irritation issues. Plus it's massively less expensive. The downsides are it's slower and more injury-prone, admittedly.
Edit: old style i.e. safety razor, soap and brush is also far more environmentally friendly than new style i.e. cartridges plus foam out of a can.
Edit: sorry, I meant safety razor, not straight.
Don't know what became of the product, but would be interesting to know if corrosion plays a role in the chipping.
Doesn't mean you can't still chip thin edges of a (presumably) fairly brittler steel blade with something relatively soft of course.
So the question is, in shaving, how do we ensure that all hairs are perpendicular to the blade edge and not free to bend?
I use Feather blades exclusively; the number of shaves I can get from one blade varies according to the shaving soap used.
Even if you produce something that's cheaper over a year, I doubt there are many takers for the high up front cost.
The sampler pack is key. Every person is different, and every DE razor user I know uses something different. I won't even tell you what I use, because it's not relevant.
As a secondary recommendation, shaving brushes and a proper shaving cream / soap are incredibly worthwhile investments. I usually suggest Proraso as a cheaper, but still decent starter soap to use until you have a better idea of what works for you.
That seems unlikely to me.
Properly heat treated steel is considerably harder than titanium. This is why titanium knife blades are generally limited to niche applications (like dive knives, although that market is being contested by modern rust-proof steels like H1).
Material hardness is one of the leading factors in edge retention.
You need to ensure they are dried well after use, otherwise they dull far quicker. I have no idea why, so perhaps someone can test my hypothesis?
I've heard that corrosion can be particularly damaging to the very edge of blades. The idea is basically that all corrosion is generally limited to small surface patches (in the presence of good maintenance) however, the very edge of the blade has a very high surface area to mass ratio, so corrosion affects the edge more than anywhere else.
I'd expect any razor that is designed to be around water to be of stainless steel or some other corrosion resistant material, but I suppose it's possible that corrosion happens on the edge anyhow (albeit at a much slower rate).
They patent it, either start a company or collect royalties. MIT takes a cut. Standard MIT practice.
In other words, the government grant should at least be refunded from the profits.
The intended return on investment is the knowledge generated by scientific research, as is maintaining the scientific research pipeline and subsidizing academics. More profit for MIT and corporations is also a positive outcome, as is better razors for US consumers.
If most voters believe this is a net positive, they can sign the rest up to pay for it in our democratic system.
I use hair clippers, clean shaving is for babies.