Comment by _5659 | Hacker News Reader

Comment by _5659 | Hacker News Reader

I hate the name, even the colonial imperialist associations with Cyber Monroe Doctrine sound more diplomatic than Clean Network. This literally sounds like an intellectual purge. Maybe because it is. This is a very purge-y purge name for a purge.

I guess we've officially thrown our hat into the ring for digital sovereignty and cyberpopulism. I wanted some decentralization but not like this.

I'm just upset that China gets Great Firewall and Russia gets Digital Iron Curtain and we get... Clean Network.

Is it too much to ask that we at least have better marketing for our authoritarianism?

Also, seems like a dated understanding. What happens when the Internet reaches comparable availability via satellite? No wonder they want to test shooting missiles in orbit.

With EARN-IT, the H1-B ban, Clean Network, etc., I fear we're setting back our scientific and intellectual advantage several generations. The lessons of the Crypto Wars feel distinctly appropriate.

I'm certainly starting to feel the wind blow a certain direction. Only the paranoid survive.

Satellite networks will always have lower data rates and latency than terrestrial networks from the extra complications of wirelessly sending signals thousands of kilometers into orbit and back. Even if you have global satellite access, the increased network demands from new applications like virtual reality, conferencing, and other uses we haven't thought of will naturally gravitate towards terrestrial networks. You'll have a fast terrestrial network that most people use in their everyday lives, and a slow satellite network used by people with special requirements. That's not all that different from how it works today with China's firewall, with most people content to live their daily lives inside and only a few putting in the effort to set up a VPN with lower network performance. You don't need to put up a 100% effective filter, just one that's annoying enough to get around that most people don't bother.

LEO networks will have much better latency and throughput, at least good enough for video conferencing.

The name is very likely a play on China's "净网行动" (literally translate to: a campaign to cleanse the Internet).

Unfortunately there's no much English reference for it, but https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hans/%E6%89%AB%E9%BB%84%E6%89%93... is a Wiki page in Chinese.

The name is an obviously racist play on the word "clean", because what makes something clean is no contact with the "dirty" Chinese. The Trump administration is not as literate as you suggest.

"clean net 2014" mainly cleans up pornographic content.

No, it's a way to censor a lot of websites or push them to self-censor their content.

There are multiple waves of "Campaign to cleanse the Internet". The linked wiki page is for 2014 and the latest one is in 2020: http://www.gov.cn/xinwen/2020-04/11/content_5501287.htm

I don't deny that "clean net" is pushing self-censorship.

I just want to point out that Pompeo’s goal of cleaning up a country can easily extend to ethnic groups, which seems to be a sign of fascism.

Welcome to the decline of the American empire. The ruling class is vainly attempting to preserve what it has by lashing out, but it's not even strong enough to do so militarily so it does pathetic moves like this. 70-80 years ago (pre-nuclear China) they probably would have just invaded and tried to reestablish 1880s colonial rule. I'm glad that the preeminent imperialist of the world is losing steam.

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