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Well they can quite frankly fuck off with that one.

The 32gb additional memory option costs 4x the price of the entire 32gb of ram in my desktop. It costs independently 60% of the cost of my desktop pc base unit just for the upgrade.

The bottom end unit features 256gb SSD (probably soldered) and the next tier up wants +£200 to go from 512 to 1TiB. My entire 1TB Samsung evo plus nvme cost £165.

The 5k display isn’t worth it for my use case so I’ve got a 27” iiyama 4K display I paid £379 for. I suspect for 90% of people the story is the same.

Add the shit show that has been Catalina so far and this is a comedy gouging.

Edit: equivalent spec of my desktop build is £3399 here. I paid £1520 for my desktop approx: ryzen 3700x, 32gb ram, 1TB ssd, gtx1660, 27” 4K display, decent mechanical keyboard, decent mouse, Windows 10 pro.

Where is the £1879 advantage?

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Maybe just put Apple out of your mind and don't get so angry about it. They're clearly not trying to compete for your business / segment of the market.

I have a Mac desktop as well. I want to use macOS. I am the market. But I have to be realistic about cost.

Love and marriage, horse and carriage.

I'm also part of the Apple cult for now. Every new computer hardware release just keeps getting frustrating. The only thing I like about Apple computers now is just Mac OS. Their hardware has been waning for the past few years. What people want is an affordable headless iMac in desktop form. They were just tone deaf when they released a $5k desktop. I don't want a headless Macbook ala Mac Mini

I still feel good about iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch at this moment. However, everything else hardware wise feels like a disaster to me. I mean where is the home pod mini? Homekit will never be taken seriously or as useful as Google Home and Alexa, until Apple finally releases smaller, less expensive smart speakers. "Hey Siri" just doesn't work well on current Apple devices.

This. Also they ship the Mac mini and no reasonable display options themselves leaving you at the mercy of LG (unreliable and almost completely unavailable) or 1.5x display scaling on other 4K monitors or a monitor which costs three kidneys attached to a stand that costs another one.

And let’s not get into the overpriced input devices. Wobbly keys and a mouse designed much like the furniture at the start of Men in Black.

Gah I’ve just convinced myself to sell the Mac mini and the iMac I already have now. And probably the iPad I’m whining about this on. Yes I’m a member of the cult. I have a whole cupboard of white boxes. But the pc pays the bills.

Yes, Apple charges a premium over custom building a PC with equivalent parts. Not anything new or shocking there.

So add £200 to the base. Where’s my £1679 advantage?

Also I’m paying full retail not OEM prices for these parts.

Obviously Apple is not courting the pcpartspicker market.

This is competing against products like HP Envy 32, Microsoft Surface Studio 2, etc which are priced similarly. You pay a premium for the design and form factor.

Ah yes the design with the ports on the back that get scratched up, the unopenable case without destroying the screen cables, the dangerously fragile corners, the thermal issues, the proprietary storage thermal monitoring and the fact it’s all in one lump so if something goes wrong you’re in trouble.

I have repaired a few and own one (2015) I think the design is absolutely dire.

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