Tech Sector Feeling Covid-19’s Economic Pain
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I was talking to a security researcher about a friend who had a full interview with a company, sent papers for hiring, filled everything out, and then discovered the company she was interviewing for was named similar to a real company, with the only difference being a hyphen in the website name. The company was fake and once they had direct deposit information, drained her bank account. She was lucky there was only ~$1k in it. still.
Do your due diligence. Be careful out there.
The company committed bank and wire fraud. They’ll get dealt with by the secret service and FBI.
Money wires are different, all the action is sender side. Even for me, Fidelity accountholder, a SWIFT money wire takes days to set up and I have to confirm it multiple times. I get the impression the bank hates doing them and will throw as many roadblocks as possible unless you are absolutely committed to it.
>The company committed bank and wire fraud. They’ll get dealt with by the secret service and FBI.
And:
>Our banking system is trash but it’s not lawless.
My experience is directly counter to that, given that it was a non-investigated wire fraud despite being blatant and the money going to a known local address/account. Saying that ACHs are better doesn't correct those overstatements of yours.
"Wire transfer" could be either Fedwire or SWIFT and it is not reversible.
See my downvoted follow-up reiterating this obvious point: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24009403
Also, since this is HN: no, Bitcoin or other crypto "transfers" are not reversible.
In Russia, a lot of companies are issuing debit cards for their own employees, and those are often their sole bank accounts, especially for people low on social ladder.
Once the employer got a whiff of the person switching jobs, he fired him, and tipped the bank to block his account on "fraud" suspicion. Banks are known to tacitly play along in such scenarios.
Of course, an avenue to sue is still open for the man, but how do you sue if you have no money to pay the court fee, and your usual income will still be drained if you go to court even for such a trivial case.
The man lost 80k roubles, which also close to around $1k
Advice: anybody in such relationship should never hold any money in "hostage" bank accounts. Always cash out your income from salary accounts, and, for businesses, their merchant accounts with acquirers (paypal, we are looking at you.)
Here a card is tied to your bank account but is in no way your account and absolutely not the only way to access your money. Companies only know your account mumber to transfer funds to and sure as hell they have no other access to accounts. It is also hard to imagine why would any bank to want to "play along".
No, we have it in the states as well, see: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/01/business/as-pay-cards-rep.... Basically what happens is that you don't get a paycheck or deposit to your account. Instead, you get your pay deposited to a debit card, which you can then use to withdraw money or transfer to your own account. Since the account is technically controlled by the company and not you, it's easier for them to seize your money. It probably doesn't help that russia has high corruption and low consumer protection.
More business from companies issuing debit cards for employees. Often such banks are like 3rd tier ones, or complete hole-in-the-wall establishments. Such accounts almost always have near zero interest, or/are laden with high fees for every thing imaginable.
> Either that's not a full story, or Russia has some _interesting_ banking system.
Russia has a very interesting banking system indeed. If organised crime effectively makes a double digit of country's GDP, what else did you expect?
If my mortgage company is compromised, there's only ~3 days/month there's any money in that account.. and then it's the exact amount of the mortgage payment.
Bank account firewalls ftw.
https://battlepenguin.com/tech/the-american-banking-system-i...
To be fair, in Australia all I needed to transfer money was your name and account number and it'd appear within 24 hours. Since I've left, I've heard the system is more real time, with funds showing up in seconds.
You can pull money from accounts the same way in Australia, but I suspect it's limited by business and there are audits in place to stop and reverse fraud.
https://qry5s.sse.codesandbox.io/
Any name Any email address Test account number: DE89370400440532013000
I would imagine the situation in the US to be quite similar.
It would be harder to get back if they did it to your business account and you didn’t notice.
See for example, Clarkson: https://www.theguardian.com/money/2008/jan/07/personalfinanc...
Good for us, maybe I won't be moving to the states in 3 years like I originally planned.
All the big tech companies are remote. What would Canada and COVID have to do with it?
No one is calling about remote.
There was a lot of hiring early on. We might see big tech layoffs come August/September.
That's not a bad tendency in the long run. In case remote work gains serious traction, tech workers would be eventually dispersed around the whole country, and that would drive down rents in previously expensive areas. With workers living in less expensive places, they wouldn't need an SV salary to afford a good lifestyle.
While I agree you wouldn't need to worry about affording SV-grade housing costs, I feel like these discussions leave out a couple of things:
* The CoL is going up everywhere. Food, medical care etc... None of it is getting cheaper.
* Good houses in good school systems with reasonable access are still expensive in many areas of the country.
* It's kind of ridiculous to see companies pushing the narrative that they can suddenly pay everyone less based on arbitrary geography when the average revenue/profit generated per engineer is often many, many multiples of their total compensation costs.
But at the end of the day, what has the most impact on socioeconomic mobility and overall success? It's probably not a cheap microwave.
It's access to good schools, health care, and diet. All of the things that are getting more expensive.
Cheaper gas and clothes also have hidden(less so now) costs in pollution and ethical sourcing concerns.
To clarify for those reading, rent in Chicago is about 50-60% cheaper than Seattle or San Francisco.
[1] https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-living-calculator/compare...
Seattle housing: 67.9% cheaper [2]
San Francisco housing: 83.4% cheaper [3]
[1] https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/
[2] https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/seattle-wa/chicago...
[3] https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/san-francisco-ca/c...
One factor might be that I prefer to work as a contractor, and get my own health insurance; it might be different if you're looking for "permanent" employment. Perhaps employers are more willing to hire someone they've never met in person, if it's as a contractor?
Many actually are not, though not all of them even know that they are pretending until it goes to VP/exec for final sign off and they find budgets/priorities have “shifted”
If these companies were really so desperate for skilled workers, we wouldn't see the same jobs posted repeatedly, or never taken down from career pages, and they would be more responsive to inquiry. The monthly hiring thread here is full of it.
Its so embarrassing and I'm nowhere near as productive as I should be. Most of my EU peers are probably having to take up the slack.
Tech workers have the benefit of hindsight, having seen U.S. manufacturing jobs get decimated in the last few decades.
A lot of fields already have built in protection from foreign competition. For instance, most if all states require that anyone conducting telemedicine work needs to be both licensed in the state were the service is being performed.
Given the leftward drift of the Democratic party and Republican's newfound disdain for the big tech companies and things like HB1 visas, I would be shocked if we don't see some significant restrictions on how foreign workers are used in the tech sector.
If you’re writing software for the world, you might have temporarily enjoyed a bubble few decades in time where you could serve the world but only had to compete on an even footing against other labor situated in a high-cost area. This world-scale pre-post test of working remotely may be the discontinuity that aligns a global workforce to a global user base.
(Remote collaboration completely sidesteps the H1B issue, of course.)
What conferences are going on? Most have been cancelled. Is the EU allowing large gatherings like that?
The tech sector is strongest in America, they aren’t going to offshore their workforce because of one unfavorable president and a bunch of media hype.
Not being productive at home is your issue. I don’t have to drive over an hour a day to work for 4 hours anymore.
With our entire economy disintegrating, the tech sector isn't going to be spared.
We're in a bad situation right now, but the economy itself is functioning, it's just running a lot cooler than usual.
I'm not productive at home right now because I'm taking care of sick relatives and have young children to keep safe while my government throws everything into chaos and we don't even know exacts on what will happen with schools, etc, and I'm not the only peer of mine having problems.
This isn't me lamenting WFH. It's me lamenting WFH during this pandemic specifically from within the USA.
If you're doing great, that's awesome. A lot of us aren't lately.
We'll see if this article's premise holds any water over the remainder of the year, for now it's weak.
Moreover, many of the giants are seeing increased usage while everyone is home. A large amount of the industry doesn't work that way, but rather, is based on profit and loss, not share price and vanity metrics.
"Newborn baby's have _on average_ one testicle"
I think you're right about it being opportunistic, at least that's what I've observed.
Where's the LinkedIn data?
The drop could be just the result of some of those firms ceasing their activity as I definitely don't see as many CyberCoders and whatever was that bot, which automatically reposted vacancies on Linkedin (JobNetwork or something), in the recent months.
1. Government supports the economy while vaccines and treatments are developed.
2. ???
3. Economic activity returns quickly to pre-pandemic levels.
There's no "guarantee" this plan will work... but we are all acting as if it will, because the alternatives are too unpleasant to contemplate.[a]
So, much of the economy is "faking it until we make it."
The tech sector is no exemption.
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[a] We all prefer not to think too much on the possibility that large swaths of the economy could remain under stress for a long while -- office buildings, malls, retail stores, restaurants and bars, movie theaters, airlines, conference centers, etc. These businesses employ a gazillion people, use a mountain of assets, and depend on a ton of software and technology for everything. We all want these businesses to survive as intact as possible so they can thrive in a post-pandemic world and continue to buy technology.