Ask HN: Automated trading on April 1
Would love to hear from folks who build automated trading systems based on Semantic analysis about how they handle the goofy stories on April 1.
Serious HFT players are either relying solely on news feeds that won't include April Fools stories or are factor in the date for sources that might report them (like CNN). All of the April Fools stories from legitimate news providers have also clearly explained these were jokes and didn't focus a piece primarily on one company.
Is it possible that those programmers merely take the easy (although not completely fool proof) route and exclude all data from April 1, and all data that refers to April Fools Day?
Does Anne Hathaway News Drive Berkshire Hathaway's Stock?
Am really interested in this field, anything like a crash course in what it involves would be nice by anyone familiar.
How much cash do you generally start with, and how liquid are you?
Is it just quant talk though? Isn't there enough of that on NP, Wilmott, and QuantNet?
Or am I silly in assuming quants on those sites work mostly for i-banks, hedge funds, and more established players?
Do partners in HFT firms function on the same level, as say the guy structuring CDOs at Bear Stearns? I thought there was a difference, but this is another reason for the wide questions; the nature of what HFTs do is a little vague and not clear from Google searches.
Quant can mean a lot of things, just like "programmer" can. Your question is like asking, "do programmers work at Google, or do they write HR reporting systems for no-name companies?" They can do either and they'll still be called programmers.
In theory, "quants" develop models and "traders" use those models (combined with market data) to make trading decisions. But plenty of people called traders make their own models and plenty of people called quants press the button to make the trade.
(HFT, as I've seen it here, is basically people looking at graphs. But we are not known for electronic trading or anything.)
Would you say spending the 150K+ and years needed to do well on the 7City exam to work as an "official quant" at famous investment banks is reasonable? There seems to be little hiring/demand for quants coming out of these programs, despite the as-of-now still high admission and graduation rates.
If the job description is as variable as you say it is, would it not make more sense to work on becoming a trader at a number of different banks, firms, and prop shops and not waste all the time and money on getting an MFE? It was popular pre-housing bubble and apparently job placement for graduates was high, yet I'm not sure this is the case is now. Could you comment on this, seeing as you're working there already?
I would personally never pay $150k for a degree, but that's because the programming world doesn't care about degrees at all. I have never tried to be a quant so I don't really know. My guess is that if you come in as a programmer on a HFT team and interest the right people, you can be a quant without any particular credentials.
I'm told by my boss that many of the people in our application support team are "blown up" traders. Which means they were traders, and now they help people reset passwords, leading me to believe that there aren't many expensive degrees required to become a trader. That's all I know, though.
I think before the 2008 crisis (I was going to say "Lehman shock" but I'm not sure if this is common outside Japan) it was considered a good deal: you could easily increase your value by more than $20k/year, especially if you were already working in finance. Now, I don't know. Although the surviving banks/funds started re-hiring, I don't think there's as much demand for quants now as there was in (say) 2007.
date = today();
if (date.month() == APRIL && date.day() == 1) {
robot_trader.take_day_off(today());
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If you have reading problems, you could use that technique to determine which of 2 words you're more likely to be reading here.
> It wasn't the second time. Since it was an Ask HN,
> people continued voting for it from what I guess is
> the ask tab on the main page.
> Also, if you look at the posts so far, none of them
> answers the question.
Who knows. Perhaps there's a better question to ask, or a better way of hooking the people you want into answering.
But I'm pleased you got traction, even if you haven't actually got answers.