Why should we all wear face masks?
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...
From your link:
> (eg, reusable 12–16-layer cotton masks; pinteraction=0·090; posterior probability >95%, low certainty
That "low certainty" comes from GRADE. Low certainty in GRADE means "The true effect might be markedly different from the estimated effect". Masks may be very much better, or very much worse, than they estimate.
The Interpretation section says this:
> Robust randomised trials are needed to better inform the evidence for these interventions, but this systematic appraisal of currently best available evidence might inform interim guidance.
Which suggests to me that they want more and better evidence.
The end of the paper says this:
> Our comprehensive systematic review provides the best available information on three simple and common interventions to combat the immediate threat of COVID-19, while new evidence on pharmacological treatments, vaccines, and other personal protective strategies is being generated. Physical distancing of at least 1 m is strongly associated with protection, but distances of up to 2 m might be more effective. Although direct evidence is limited, the optimum use of face masks, in particular N95 or similar respirators in health-care settings and 12–16-layer cotton or surgical masks in the community, could depend on contextual factors; action is needed at all levels to address the paucity of better evidence. Eye protection might provide additional benefits. Globally collaborative and well conducted studies, including randomised trials, of different personal protective strategies are needed regardless of the challenges, but this systematic appraisal of currently best available evidence could be considered to inform interim guidance.
These sentences make me think the evidence isn't as strong as lots of people claim it is:
> while new evidence on [...] other personal protective strategies is being generated.
> Although direct evidence is limited
> action is needed at all levels to address the paucity of better evidence.
dougmwne appears to be saying that masks work and that we know they work, but the link they provided doesn't support that claim.
It really bothers me that a medical device has become something so political and so disconnected from evidence-based science that I need to say this, but: for what it's worth, I wear a mask when near other people, both because they may be effective, and because the people I'm near may believe that they are and may thus feel safer seeing me wear it. I can feel that the evidence is very weak and yet still do that.
Yet, UV rays kill the virus. In fact, a few minutes in the sun is enough to kill the virus in vapor, or on surfaces.
Maybe we need masks that are not vulnerable to UV, and thus could more easily sterilized.
As such, any environmental effect: heat, dryness, humidity, UV-light, or chemicals, will kill the virus extremely quickly.
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With that being said: E. Coli can still grow on a mask, and I would recommend proper sanitation of your masks. A "standard" bacterial infection would still suck, even if it isn't COVID19.
So even IF COVID19 dies in minutes to sunlight (a fact that I find plausible, given the very low levels of protections viruses have vs the environment), its a bad idea to aim at "only disinfecting COVID19". There's many fungus, bacteria, AND viruses that can get stuck on a mask.
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Hydrogen Peroxide has been shown to be a strong anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and anti-fungal agent. Or, toasting your N95 masks in ~180F ovens for 30 minutes also would do the trick. (Again: the higher temperature and time is NOT for the easily killed virus, but for the harder to kill bacteria and fungus)
I know that aerosolized H2O2 has been used to recycle / reuse masks in hospitals. I don't know if liquid H2O2 is safe for masks. So I guess the oven-toast methodology is the best I've heard so far.
Aerosol H2O2 is toxic however. And unfortunately, I don't recall the percentage that they used for the study (3% is common household grade. But hospitals are known to use 7% or 10% grade for disinfection purposes). H2O2 is also highly reactive, so its possible it damages the mask somehow. But as a cleaning agent, its both cheap and effective (as long as the base material can survive).
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For your cloth masks: your standard laundry detergent is a good anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, anti-viral soap. The issue with N95 masks is that they can't survive the laundry or other, more rigorous forms of cleaning. Throw some chlorine bleach into the wash if you want to be extra sure (a 2nd, independent anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, anti-viral chemical for good measure).
EDIT: Can someone please explain the downvotes? We have a classic A/B question here. We should NOT only be aiming to kill viruses (which is extremely easy). If we want to protect ourselves while using masks, we should aim at killing viruses, bacteria, AND fungus. That is, all the different micro-organisms that can be found on a mask.
It is not true that a SARS-CoV-2 virion is just a "piece of RNA" with nothing around it: they are enveloped by a lipid membrane with embedded proteins.
See, for example:
https://pdb101.rcsb.org/sci-art/goodsell-gallery/coronavirus
https://pdb101.rcsb.org/learn/videos/fighting-coronavirus-wi...
Your description of Covid19 as being a stray bit of RNA floating around doesn't tally with the fact that it's a coronavirus - the name comes from the morphology, it's encapsulated.
Eg: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peplomer
This might be the reason. I dare say people dismissed your comment based on a headline factual error.
I wonder about microwaving; kills most things.
It says that "Based on their results, the researchers estimate that continuous exposure to far-UVC light at the current regulatory limit would kill 90% of airborne viruses in about 8 minutes, 95% in about 11 minutes, 99% in about 16 minutes, and 99.9% in about 25 minutes."
I don't know how the "regulatory limit" compares to sunlight. Also, this is for seasonal coronaviruses rather than specifically SARS-CoV-2, and it's for airborne particles rather than masks. Maybe someone can find something more specific?
The sunlight is mostly UV-A, with little bits of UV-B.
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I would assume that UV-C lights are regulated, because its so dangerous. So the "edge of regulatory limits" would be whats legally allowed. Either way, UV-C is not present on sunlight at the Earth's surface, and therefore incomparable as a comparison point.
UV-C is a useful disinfectant when generated by UV-C lights. But you need to be careful not to touch humans with it, since it provably causes cancer. Most UV-C generators I've seen are inside of boxes of some kind: you place an item inside of the box, close the box, and turn on the UV-C generator.
Additionally, it seems to me that a mask would not all be equally reachable by sunlight and some parts might not be at all.
I was hoping for some sort of information or data from this one.. as in even a single citation to a study to read.
I personally think wearing a mask indoors around others is a good idea, but this "graphic" isn't going to convince anyone - it just states vague facts without numbers or references.
"From you to others" is a link to a preprint by fast.ai titled Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence Review
Direct link:
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/hamster-tests-sh...
Implies 60% protection of others when wearing a mask, and 30% protection of yourself.
Masks may help, and if people can wear masks they probably should, but the evidence we have so far isn't great.
If masks were strongly protective it would be easy to see this effect in RCT, and we've done a bunch of trials of masks and respiratory disease and it's difficult to see the benefit.
Distancing and hand-washing remain important, and if people are focussing on masks but lapsing on hand-hygiene and distancing then we're probably going to see a rise in infections.
If we assume 20% of the population have asymptomatic covid, and that masks reduce risk by 40% then about 200,000 people have to wear masks to prevent one extra infection. (Page 18) https://www.fhi.no/globalassets/dokumenterfiler/rapporter/20...
Here's an example: https://imgur.com/a/5fb1A8M
This has been used to back the claim that masks aren't effective whenever debate around wearing masks comes up. Wearing a mask is going to cause less spread than not wearing anything, but I'd like to see some research into this specific point about "leaking" of air around the edges of the mask since it's being used to shut down arguments about mask wearing.
How is “shutting down” different from disagreement here?
The argument about leaking air around a mask is interesting (hence why I'm looking for research), but wholly different from whether masks prevent transmission.
That said, most of the debate at this point is motivated reasoning by people who don't want to wear masks. :P
Second, the ideas that masks work to protect people from you for respiratory viruses. There's a 2013 study (way before the current political pressure) that challenges this[1], and UIC Health also made a claim masks weren't necessary, although now they have a big disclaimer over the opinion[2].
So why not just wear one. Even if those two are correct ideas? What about people who can't wear masks? There are people who have suffered trauma. If you say, "I can't for medical reasons" people just assume you're some right-wing republican. There is judgement back and fourth when you make the masks a requirement, and further you're asking people to disclose something that might be very personal.
A man in Ontario was pepper sprayed and arrested by police for not wearing a mask[3]. Police shot another Canadian man for not wearing one[4].
And we're not even talking about the psychological effects. Why is no one making the connection between the normalization of the mask and massive civil unrest?! It should be a very obvious hypothesis, and yet no one seems to be discussing it (I talk about it here[5]).
Challenging mask ideology doesn't mean you want everyone's grandma to die. There are legit reasons why this should be optional and not mandated. When you mandate something like this, it breaks the social contract.
[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23957495
[1]: https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/c...
[2]: https://publichealth.uic.edu/news-stories/commentary-masks-f...
[3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmaKvW1H2Tg
[4]: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/world/2020-07-17-canadian-p...
[5]: https://battlepenguin.com/politics/secondary-effects/#masks-...
[0]: https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200609/who-clairifies-comm...
[1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/10/dr-anthony-fauci-says-whos-r...
[2]: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/paper-non-symptomati...
Additionally as many as 50% of people who test positive for COVID-19 have virtually no symptoms: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/50-percent-of-people-...
This means that you can have the virus without knowing, and spread it without the need for coughing or sneezing, potentially infecting others who will go on to develop far more serious symptoms.
Wearing a mask is a cheap and easy insurance policy against these scenarios.