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For those that want LSD but not have to be a criminal I recommend trying 1-P LSD which has the functional class of LSD without being illegal in most countries, happy tripping. If you're on the wall about trying it micro dose and work your way up to something functional.

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In the UK we had an act introduced to combat legal highs by making essentially everything illegal and then legalising products, rather than trying to ban legal highs as they were discovered.

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/05/27/the-government-j...

Despite this 1P-LSD is still being sold in the UK in a supposedly legal way. It's sold as micro dosing pills that are low enough dose to not produce any psychedelic effects if you just take one. There's nothing stopping you from taking 10, though.

(I have no idea if this supposed workaround would actually be seen as legal if taken to court, but the company has been active and selling in the UK for over a year now, they are a sister company of the well known lizardlabs)

https://micro1p.com/

Looks like they ship from the Netherlands.

Always worrying ordering anything from there although I've never had any issues.

Why is that worrying?

They do not appear to ship to certain countries, which is too bad.

Is LSD schedule I in the US? If so it might be prosecutable under the federal analogue act, although whether that act matters seems to be somewhat debated.

I know some other countries have blanket bans on RCs and analogues as well.

> Is LSD schedule I in the US?

Yes. Most psychedelics are Schedule I. Though to be fair, that's in large part due to the UN Convention on Psychotropic Substances, of which only 11 UN member states are not party.

The US was and is one of the driving forces behind the UN convention, however.

It’s illegal in Germany since last year I think. But there is a new one 1P-a LSD (or something like that) which is supposed to be legal.

1cP-LSD

Is the effect exactly the same or somewhat different?

Very close / the same in my experience. I've never had the exact same effect even from two doses of LSD from the same sheet, much less different producers, but 1p-lsd was just fine and felt the same to me.

I bought a bit before it was put on the controlled substances list in my country. A good demonstration that legal LSD doesn't end the world: it was legal, it was LSD, the world didn't end!

>I've never had the exact same effect even from two doses of LSD from the same sheet...

As a retired neurosurgical anesthesiologist (38 years) who has never taken LSD or any psychedelic/psychoactive substance, I found your observation very thought provoking.

More likely than not, the LSD on each unit on a given sheet is chemically identical.

Therefore, the only variables are 1) the amounts in each dose, and 2) the substrate on which the drug will act (i.e., your brain at a given instant is — on the whole — the same, but functionally totally different from second to second as pathways activate and connect).

I would therefore hypothesize that, more likely than not, most if not all individuals who have a strong response to a given dose of LSD will have different responses to repeated doses from the same sheet.

I'm hoping people who've taken LSD will school me.

I think it's important to differentiate between the effect of LSD and the experience of the subject. The effect is always the same (for the same dose) but the experience is different. The differences in experience come because LSD is just a modifier on your perception and thoughts. Thus you can only have the same experience if you repeat the same sensory inputs and thoughts - which is pretty much impossible.

LSD has quite a bit of subjective experience change based solely on mood, set, and settings. Although beyond that, everyone's reality is not the same as the next guy. Aside from that, repeated dosing of anything at all can be different from dose to dose based on body chemistry, tolerance, hormone balance, and dopamine/adrenaline type of responses. Mood plays a large factor in this as well. Tylenol does not work the same way at the same dose in each and every person, either.

Get yourself some Monero and order LSD, already, for Christ's sake ...

It was thought to be a pro-drug for LSD, but I'm not sure that's been proven.

AL-LAD has also been spotted in recent years.

AL and ETH n a bunch more (mipla ...) are all very different to lsd, they only show chemical similarities, but so do melatonin and dmt :)

Having tried AL and the original, I'm not sure I could spot any sort of difference.

It was years apart and it's all very subjective though.

I tried ETH AL and 1p half a month apart , they all been a lot of different

AL lad 150ug was happy ish almost no visuals, very slight mind changes

ETH lad 75ug played most with my mind visuals were weak but very distinct to lsd, touch was amazing,but was extremely easy to get afraid of smth(thought loops etc)

1p lsd 125ug was just like lsd with maybe more vasoconstriction atleast hands felt colder n hikes were more exhausting than lsd

I find it extremely close. I believe that it metabolizes into LSD in your system. If I'm not mistaken.

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