Pentagon's UFO Unit to Disclose Some of Its Findings to the Public

That doesn't seem conducive to that mutual deterrence which is usually desirable.

Think about some highly intelligent reptile predator species, with a taste for mamal meat.

Yeah, the creeps are there.

I think not everyone - not anyone - would be kind of having much of fun discovering we are not alone, in that case.

I think in the next century or maybe in 200 years, this stuff would be like the hunt of witches in the medieval europe.

A precise advanced for that time, disinformation campaign targetting an interest for several actors (like kings, the church at that time), and eventually triggering a justification to embrace some nation-state sponsored actions.

Coud be probably a not military interest, like further advance the space career, to try to get to asteroid resources first (like in the 22 century). Long term thinking, ala Bezos.

This is totally incorrect. There is nothing balloon like or halo artifact like about the tic-tac and Fravor's description. It's just not true.

I agree that many of the people around the ufo phenomenon are cranks and liars, but that doesn't mean everyone is or that all sightings and eye witness testimony are fake or lies or misunderstandings.

What fravor and people on the nimitz described is nothing like what you lumped everything under, it's just not. If you want to call them all liars too, that's fine, but if not, what they described, the eyewitness accounts are not what you described.

Consistent according to whom? And is that already a forgone conclusion?

Anti-gravity/electrogravitics would make all kinds of sci-fi stuff possible. It would be a much, much bigger deal.

[1] https://www.wired.co.uk/article/boeing-x-37b-space-plane

Perhaps they're dogfooding the product and seeing if their own pilots can catch it. So far, no one has been able to.

Assuming it doesn't require huge energies like 1MW/lb. If it did, it would be incredible for space travel, but fairly useless and incredibly inefficient for anyones every day life.

Think about Spanish and Portuguese caravels, english longbows, etc.

If your country somehow discovers something akin to electricity, probably fastly reproducible by other nations, you will probably want some extra time developing technology over the discovery, just to have maybe, 10-30 years edge over the rest. The more, the better.

This is not any news, US has done it already with the stealth technology (and they still have and edge on it, even if they're not making it public), nuclear technology (most of it are still closely guarded secrets, think hydrogen bombs), even most of the optical technologies related to satellites are highly guarded secrets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret

Either Einstein didn't know everything, and maybe part of his theory was a bit off. Or, there's an alien species visiting us with advanced craft that crash often enough that we find them.

Of course, this is all assuming everyone on record is telling the truth, which is a pretty big assumption.

an omnidirectional thrust vector https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-981-10-2875-5_...

but using a nuclear powered jet engine? (Like the Burevestnik linked above)

Sounds crazy, but if it were done, and if it were a drone that is 90% engine and fuel (no pilot, no life support), I could imagine getting something that performs similarly to what we have seen in these videos.

If we add on top of being 90% engine and fuel, even a slight improvement in engine performance, or a willingness to let the engine destroy itself after each use, it would have better performance than human-containing sustainable-flying aircraft.

Stealth? How do you know anything we have can track them very well? What if they have to let us track them, or there are certain operating modes where they are susceptible to radar and other times they are totally invisible.

Making any conclusions about why they would not be tracked or wouldn't is pure speculation and worse based on our own capabilities. 'Stealth' from radar might be incredibly easy for them.

...Maybe the uncomfortable truth is, after interstellar travel is achieved we'll just default back to fixing bugs in production.

But more on topic, I haven't heard anything that might be interpreted as a "manned" craft crashing since rosswell, so maybe a more fair comparison would be "how often do we crash random drones?"

Also, being easy to track assumes that whoever built it hasn't figured out any more advanced stealth tech given a 1000+ year head start on us. I think some of the pilot accounts reported active radar jamming when the objects were pinged, so I'll ignore arguments related to tracking until some new data surfaces.

Perhaps they aren't crashing on accident, but are shot down?

I'm not saying I believe that, of course, but "crash" != "accident".

Long ago on a planet far away advances were made that allowed one group to escape their own planet and initiate exploration of worlds far displaced from their own. These advances happened simply because the inhabitants of that far-away world looked up from their lives and saw things they didn't understand and this absence of understanding spurred them to seek out answers. Maybe someone there looked into their own night sky and wondered about what they would find if they could only visit those distant lights in the sky. Perhaps like us, they created stories about how all the stars in their sky came to exist, they grouped them into recognizable shapes and gave them names and created stories about them so that the long nights could be passed comforting their children and regaling visitors with the recitation of ancient tales of conquest and heroes now enshrined in their own heavens.

Once the announcement about their successful effort to escape their own planet was made to the citizens of that planet there was much pride in the accomplishment and, in some societies, jealousy reared its ugly head. Fearing that their own local citizens could be dominated by those of their more scientifically successful neighbors, a space race began much like our own with multiple societies striving to outdo the accomplishments of the other and thus claim superiority.

Over time, their probes pushed farther past boundaries than our own scientific advances have allowed and they eventually discovered our planet and all of our ancestors bumping around down here trying to make sense of our own place in the world.

The challenges faced by these alien visitors are much the same as our own when we send probes to Mars or other planets. Like our own efforts, sometimes we are wildly successful and other times our probes miss the mark or crash or never make it out of our atmosphere.

They face similar challenges to our own. Do we know enough about the target to be able to insert ourselves into orbit so that we can use our stripped-down instrumentation to glean anything useful about the world we are visiting that may allow us to eventually send and land a probe on the surface, if it has a detectable hard surface? Imagine that the first successful insertion of a probe into orbit around an alien (to them) world would be greeted with a lot of enthusiasm back home. Competition between societies heats up over time to see who can successfully land a probe on the surface and transmit environmental data back to their home planet? Which society will be the first to send live citizens to visit the distant planet and then later, to return them successfully to their homes?

Assume if you will that all this occurred in the context of a space race on their own home planet and that some groups were less successful than others - due to funding, lack of data, etc. That means that some of their own visits would not end well for the probe or for the pilots or other personnel. Assume that the personnel involved in those efforts were trapped here on this planet with no way to return.

Do you not think that they would attempt to survive and, as a survival mechanism, would eventually come to ally themselves with inhabitants of the planet they became stranded on so that their own knowledge of processes and techniques and materials, etc could be conveyed in a way that both groups benefit from the knowledge transfer?

Perhaps on that far-away planet the competing groups are locked in a competition that has resulted in them discovering our own world and that each time one of their vessels returns to their home planet with a new collection of plant, rock, and liquid samples to add to their gallery of cattle tongues, hearts, and anuses they are greeted as heroes and feted with parades and that these celebrations only drive further exploration as the thirst for knowledge in their societies is strong.

Maybe they mourn as we do when a probe with a crew of their heroes, some of their most accomplished citizens, doesn't return as planned. Maybe they compose songs to help their own descendants remember the glorious heroes who dared to explore distant worlds. Perhaps they send additional missions to attempt to ascertain why their crews never returned and whether they are still alive and only need rescue.

Maybe over a long enough period of time they see the inhabitants of that distant world, a science project for them, become more and more technologically advanced with each visit and they begin to worry that situations they find could spiral out of control and bad things could happen to their study subjects. And then, out of a sense of moral obligation, if such a thing could be postulated for a group far away from our own planet, they attempt to warn those less advanced people that there are lines that should not be crossed, that some behaviors can be very detrimental to survival, that some things that seem to be monumental achievements are in fact a collection of Pandora's boxes that should be left on the shelf, unopened forever.

What about it? All speculation. Who really knows?

Except maybe when they are experimental...

See: CDC patents on vaccines/treatments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus

Connected.