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I posted this because Alan Kay linked to it in the context of objects that come with their own interpreters: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11957719.

This was in the same thread where he and Rich Hickey discussed "data": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11945722, which was mentioned here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23891069.

That data thread makes me very sad. Two technology leaders completely talking past each other and not understanding the other over and over again.

Maybe they need... an interpreter?

Right, I'll show myself out...

Well, I believe it only highlights how fundamental definitions of things like "data" aren't even universally agreed upon in our field.