The death toll from COVID lockdown is so much higher - from excess suicides, poverty, crime and violence - that anything we can do to alleviate the panic and get back to normal life is worth it.
That's the same false dichotomy we've been hearing since the pandemic began.
I mean, in an ideal population set where people acted rationally, it might be. In the real world, where fear motivates counterproductive behavior, it’s hard to imagine a different scenario where you don’t slow the economy (associated harms) while trying to mitigate the virus.
Another topic on HN that showed up today was "any claim without a URI should be treated as suspicious," which I would broaden to, as the kids say: "bring receipts." If you're going to implicitly (or explicitly) claim that the harms of a lockdown in response to a pandemic are greater than the harms caused by the pandemic itself, you should at least put a little effort into explaining why, and include at least some links to studies or informed discussion that support your claim. Just backing it up with "the truth of my claim should be clearly obvious to even the most casual of observers" is rarely good enough.
I don't think anyone has seriously claimed you can mitigate the virus's spread without slowing the economy, or that slowing the economy doesn't come with associated harms. The question was and remains what the balance is. Is there any evidence to back up the claim in the thread above that "the death toll from COVID lockdown is so much higher?" Higher than what? The projected death toll from no lockdown at all? When someone makes a claim about the economic damage from the lockdown, are they taking into account studies that try to project the economic damage that no lockdown would have caused?
We know that many people do not have comorbidities.
The mean age of patients admitted to ICU is 60.6 years (white people), 55.4 years (non-white).
88% / 93% of people were able to live without assistance in daily activities before admission.
How much more can we expect if things simply “get back to normal”. Hard to say but obviously a gigantic loss. I’m also highly skeptical of claims that #1 suicide, crime, violence have increased significantly. Source? Poverty/economic disruption is obviously a massive damage that cannot be understated either.
But I’m highly highly skeptical that countries who try to ignore the problem like Brazil, USA will end up economically more successful than countries with strong countermeasures like South Korea, Taiwan, New Zealand, and many others. Beat the virus to fix the economy.
At some point there is an inflection point where it makes sense to “give up” and accept that countermeasures are more costly than the benefit they provide. Clearly every day we delay and have high rates of infection, and the longer the vaccine takes, we move closer to the “give up” side of the calculation. I’m not at all convinced we’ve reached that point yet and we certainly hadn’t reached it at the point the federal administration gave up.
https://mobile.twitter.com/erictopol/status/1276153119492186...
Except those people don't pay with money, they pay with blood.