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Assasination attempt on judge of the Epstein/Deutsche Bank case

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103 pointsadamnemecek28 comments

Details are more grim than the title...the judge's husband and son were shot by a gunman dressed as a FedEx driver. Son died, husband is in critical condition.

I wonder how they know how the shooter was dressed if the son died and the husband is in critical condition. Ring doorbell camera or maybe the son or husband was able to give a description before passing or going to the hospital. I hope there is video evidence.

They don't know this, it's speculation. There was a Fedex driver in the area, but they don't know if he's the perpetrator.

Wow. That's a great way to not only piss off the judge, but bring the full wrath of the federal government down on you.

Piss off is not the right word, because it marginalizes what happened. But man, that judge is not going to be on your side.

Piss off? Her son was killed and her husband injured.

The judge would likely have prefered to die than for her 20 year old son to die. I think the attackers sent the message they wanted.

I'm not too optimistic that this was a "bad" move, just a move by people that have already carefully considered the pros and cons and their conclusion was to make the move, meaning they found more pros than cons.

You mean person.

definitely a bad word. this judge will probably suffer a very bad depression, PTSD, all this stuff.

I’m not saying that the speculation implied by this headline is true, but, if this were related to the Epstein case, which explicitly involves the president, who just commuted the sentence of one of his several criminal associates... I’m not sure why you’d imagine the government would act with moral force and clarity here.

Trump is just one man, not the government.

The Justice System as a whole will take such an attack 'personally' and everyone in the system will be 'on the move'.

Imagine a corporation of people just 'doing their jobs' and punching out.

Now imagine said corporation where everyone is personally, emotionally committed towards 'getting that special project done' and everyone is 'all hands on' and they 'really mean it'.

There won't be internal fighting over who gets what, anyone who needs help from anyone else is going to get i because 'we're gonna get that guy'.

To boot, they didn't kill the judge, they killed their kid. This just makes it a lot worse. Every cop, judge, detective, FBI agent is thinking about their families tonight.

I really hope you are right, but sometimes when people are scared, it feels safer to think of the victim as "the other". Someone which while maybe didn't quite got justice, got what was coming.

This is one time I hope for esprit de corps to prevail, oddly enough.

This is 'revenge' (not quite that, but like that) - a very specific kind of 'esprit de corps' and very deep motivator.

A lot of people joined the forces after 9/11, somewhat similar.

There is no way she won’t recuse herself from any current cases and possibly take a sabbatical to recover.

So while she might be “pissed” it wouldn’t matter.

Wouldn't that immediately place the judge in a conflict of interest position ? She wouldn't be able to do her job (impartiality, &c.) as a judge if she knows one of the person she has to judge potentially ordered the hit.

For a moment I will consider the conspiracy: If you kill a judge, another will simply take their place and the process will continue. Ergo the only way the conspiracy holds water is if the judge could not be persuaded to violate her oath, etc. or the chances of a judge who would be more favorable would be set to take her place. It's madness.

well, unless you know/or have power over who the next judge is.

If you are the replacement judge for a judge whose son was murdered you will probably save your own family and rule in favor of the powerful party that ordered the hit.

Probably the opposite. There will be so much oversight now, and 'all eyes will be on'. I don't think the system is likely to cower like that in the face of such a big, literally international issue.

Considering the limp-dicked response to Epstein's 'suicide' , what makes you have so much faith in 'the system' when possible powerful elements in this system are implicated?

That begs the question of why was asset Epstein left out to dry. Wexner, for example, is still protected by media shading lack of investigation of that prime 'sponsor' of Epstein's very well promoted career as a financial genius.

Since this was like a mob hit, I think the global protection racket you refer to as 'the system' is possibly manifesting conflict in 'the commission'. You see this at every level these days. There is a re-alignment going on, it seems, and not everyone is on board. (Just speculation.)

> That begs the question of why was asset Epstein left out to dry.

Perhaps he threatened someone that he'd talk. Perhaps some scapegoat was needed to take some pressure off. Perhaps it just wasn't worth protecting him because of mounting evidence. Or perhaps someone just hated his guts.

If it's possible to have someone 'whacked' in jail with little repercussion (which seems to me a somewhat plausible assumption), I can think of all sorts of reasons why things happened the way they did.

If this was a hit/ attempted hit by a party that is worried what the Epstein case would uncover something more incriminating then I would think would serve to intimidate any future judge put on the case.

To be clear though I think judges, prosecutors and law enforcement face threats on a regular basis and many of them have the guts to do the right thing. Granted with Epstein case this is a bit more scary then the usual cases. Its connected to such powerful people.

This is a big deal, and it's not the only hit on a lawyer recently, and we also don't know whether the judge or the judge's husband was the target, and why. Epstein is actually an unlikely factor.

Here's a link on the Epstein connection https://news.bloomberglaw.com/securities-law/deutsche-bank-i...

The title is both editorialized and making assumptions.

We do not know the motive nor the intended targets of the perpetrator.

Titles are usually editorialized?

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