Pine64 announce the Pinecil, TS100 compatible RISC-V soldering iron
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Personally, I would’ve thought the one crucial bit of a functional soldering iron is to deliver enough thermal power at the tip to melt solder. All the software in the world won’t help if the hardware can’t manage that.
The important bit of the iron is not really the brain but the latency of the control loop and the absolute power delivery which is easy enough to solve with a couple of lm358’s on the ts100 element/sensor.
Not only that some of the Quicko ones have firmware crash bugs which can trigger a reset while the MOSFET is turned on. Woosh.
That said, I haven't seen any models with an analog temperature gauge...
Being able to idle back when it hasn't moved in a while, but recover quickly when I pick it up, used to require magnets and a reed switch in the holder. But the TS100 can do it in any holder, simply by looking for movement in its accelerometer.
Being able to turn itself the rest of the way off after a longer period seems a nice safety measure.
Pushbutton temperature adjustment isn't perhaps as simple as a knob, but the realtime display of tip temperature is awfully nice to know how long it takes my commands to have an effect.
And, since it can sense the input voltage, some firmwares have automatic shutdown for various lithium cell voltages, in case you're driving it directly from a battery pack like many R/C hobbyists do in the field. I've never met another portable iron with that feature.
Is it excessive for a basic desk iron? Yeah, probably. But it's amazing as portable go-anywhere iron, which is also capable enough to replace my desk iron. I'm a fan.
The triac mangles the sine wave, but this resistive heater doesn't mind. I did this on a whim but it ended up meeting my needs quite well.
We've all accidentally left the soldering iron on, sometime in our decades. The sensors in the iron lets it shut off and not burn your house down. Having an firmware (like the TS100 or TS80) means you can fully customize its behavior unlike most consumer devices. (I wish there was a microwave oven whos firmware I could tweak in order for, eg the popcorn button to make popcorn how I like my popcorn.)
Soldering irons are at this fairly unique intersection of consumer device and hardware hacker that I'm really surprised by the some of the luddite attitudes around here. I bet there's some cool firmware mods you could do if you have to solder something that looks like a heat sink. (Eg maybe it could do 18650 cells, if you don't have a welder.)
The other innovation of the TS100 is that battery-power capably powers a soldering iron. The TS100 is a bit older than the TS80, and can use 12V rechargable battery packs (eg for RC cars/planes); the TS80P can use recent USB-battery pack powering standards. It doesn't do much at the workbench, but if you're one of those people that leaves the house (modulo Covid), it turns out to be really useful! In decades prior, butane (cigarette lighter fluid) powered soldering irons existed, but could be persnickety and were a special version to buy. Now, just bring the iron along with USB battery pack you were probably gonna bring anyway.
At least one of the TS100 custom firmwares [1] has a feature which helps with that sort of thing. Pressing one of the buttons while soldering will force the heater into always-on mode, making it deliver heat faster than normal.
Isn't leaving it in the stand the best way to not burn your house down? I can't say I've ever left an iron heated up and also touching something flammable.
Specifically for the Metacal irons, all of the ones I have used have a magnet in the stand that causes the tip to idle at a reduced temperature using some sort of feromagnetic magic. The great thing about those irons is they have such fast thermal control that it heats up in the time it takes you to lift the iron from its stand to your work. They also have a deep sleep they go into if they detect the tip is idle for more than a few minutes which can be disabled in a production environment. And for some absurd reason, it is all implemented in hardware...
The great thing about doing it in software is that I can change the timeouts and the idle temperature if I wanted. For most soldering my idle is 130°C so it can go quickly to target but when I'm experimenting I leave it at 80°C to reduce burn risks.
The old Wellers did that 30 years ago.
(personally I use my hot air station much more than my soldering iron)
And by the way, nowadays you could implement auto-shutdown using an accelerometer and a timer, I suppose.
I picked up an older RFG-30 with handle for $80 USD off ebay about 2-3 yrs ago. An old friend of mine still has his original metcal PS2e from something like the 80s or 90s and it runs like a tank.
The TS type irons and the T12's are however 100% not safe devices. The tip mount/socket shorts out which will blow the guts out of the MOSFET and there are various brown-out conditions which cause the thing to crash and dump the entire supply into the tip until it glows orange. And also the thermal sensor fails unsafe. That risk is especially high when you have high capacity supplies.
An image to back up my claim:
Buying a decent, simple iron will probably cost you less than your house does if it goes up.
As for leaving irons on I have never done it. Metcal PS900 also has an optional stand which puts the iron in safe standby mode. They heat up within 2 seconds when you pick the iron up as they do not use normal heating elements. They use RF heating. There is no condition that can cause a complete thermal overload cycle.
On the T12 irons which are sometimes mentioned they are borderline illegal when it comes to the power supply design earthing and will quite happily kill you dead if you don't rework them first.
Is economy worth it? Probably not.
- Hakko FX951 is listed for $269.77, less tips
https://www.hakkousa.com/products/soldering/hakko-fx-951-sol...
- Metcal PS-900 is listed for $275.93
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Metcal/PS-900
The statement that the PS-900 is much much cheaper does not appear to be accurate now.
There's not really any time I think "Hey, I want a transistor that doesn't make any attempt to handle short circuits, so I can save literally $2 it something".
Things that need power tend to be things that can short.
I wish for this every day.
I had another cheap microwave that would nag ever minute after the food finished so you wouldn't forget it.
I once had a microwave with steps -- I so wish I could save as "favorites"
I wish I could monitor a sensor to boil water accurately.
I wish there was a sensor, maybe a camera, that you could teach to watch for boil-over.
Could you say it's an analog computing solution?
The TS100 custom firmware, https://github.com/Ralim/ts100 , also has features like detecting incoming voltage for use on lithium battery packs to prevent overdischarge. Pine64 even mentions they've sent a prototype to this developer.
Normally, you can get these irons for $80-$90 so a $24.99 iron that uses the same tips and software would be an absolute bargain.
That's not their innovation, since they copied JBC's cartridge design to do that.
Their innovation is that they're selling an incompatible Chinese copy of JBC's system that's self-contained in the soldering iron and powered by a laptop power brick or USB-C.
So did JBC create a soldering iron compatible with a Hakko power station? My understanding is pretty much all pro-level soldering irons are not compatible with each other.
That was an innovation compared to old pen shaped irons, but our old beloved gun shaped solder irons were much better wrt heat transfer: the heating element wan't just inside the tip, it was the tip. that's why they could deliver insanely fast heating times like two or three seconds from turned off to maximum temperature. I still have a couple of them, and they literally spank my Weller styluses asses when soldering heavy stuff, but alas their shape and big tips aren't suitable for use on very small stuff, not to mention SMT devices.
The ass-end of the stylus is pretty obvious, but where's the appendage that the gun uses for spanking? Also, you may want to cut back on the psychedelics while soldering.
[0] https://www.seeedstudio.com/Sipeed-Maix-Cube-p-4553.html
[1] https://www.hackster.io/dmitrywat/object-detection-with-sipe...
I was actually looking at the seeedstudio AI development platform products last weekend and trying to work out what was actually usable and you've made that simple.
Any other tips for someone who knows their way around neural networks and python but not microcontrollers?
If you can get one for $25, don't even think about it.
I wish someone designed flat tips for desoldering small multipins
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32849007766.html
Photo:
> This means you can use the Pinecil as a platform to create something completely different based on this platform, such as a drill or a multimeter.
/s
Seriously, I'm not for putting too much silicon into a thing that should only keep control of the tip temperature, but the price makes it very tempting, and I'd love to support Pine64 for their work on open source devices.
I'll definitely have to try the Pinecil, even if it's just because "RISC-V!".
[0] https://www.antex.co.uk/products/cordless-soldering-irons/ga...
What I would NOT do, though, is choose this stuff for general purpose use, especially "tool bag" use. Water-soluble fluxes are powerful, but they must be cleaned or you'll have corrosion troubles. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I'd prefer a RMA-type flux here.
The TS80 isn't as beefy in power terms but runs of USB so you can power it from a standard phone battery bank or USB-C charger.
IMO for any hobbyist a TS100 is probably the best bang for the buck unless you go for rather expensive soldering stations.
My only complaint about the Gascat is that it does get really quite hot and takes a while to cool. But it does have a couple of tips for "hot air" which is very useful for heatshrink etc.
I wonder how the ergonomics on the production Pinecil will end up. I never ended up liking the TS100s feel for soldering, which made the TS80 my go-to iron. The wide tip availability is great, but I'd rather take a limited tip selection and better ergonomics.
The TS100 can show you the input voltage and duty cycle, I wonder if there's firmware that calculates watts...
Purism appears to be having hardware issues with the Librem, and from what I've heard their laptop hardware is also pretty bad.
Just out of curiosity as I only heard about problems with the Librem 5, never about problems with their laptops.
And the third top level comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hr8hvi/not_recommend...
I've heard similar things in the past, but can't remember where.
Is it really standby without the modem? Sounds more like sleep.