Skype 5 for Mac
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This is the number one reason that I prefer Mac-only products to products that are available on both Windows and Mac.
Invariably, the companies decide that since they have 4x the sales on Windows as on Mac, the correct course of action is to build a product that is identical in almost every way with just a very thin GUI "skin" on the outside that is Mac or Windows specific. I don't know if this is because they think that the Windows sales "validate" the UX design or if it's an attempt to save money by having a single code base (or both?), but the results are invariably awful on the Mac.
Windows users are not interchangeable with Mac users. What "works" for someone who was given their PC by the IT department does not work for someone who deliberately chose to buy a product with a tiny market share.
Considering that I wrote that companies might think it's cheaper, I'm going to go with yes, I realize that companies might think it's cheaper.
Likewise, it's also cheaper for PC Manufacturers to sell me junk PCs loaded up with BloatWare, yet I buy Macs. Just as it's perfectly reasonable for company A to make a product that user B finds repellant, it's also perfectly reasonable for a company to make a Mac product that sucks, and it's equally reasonable for a Mac user to avoid it at all costs. Neither party is wrong in any sense, any more than WalMart is wrong for not selling full carbon mountain bikes or Ibis Cycles (a specialty manufacturer who lays their frames up by hand in the USA) is wrong for not rebranding a Chinese steel MTB at a $500 price point.
It's a plus for the users coming from the PC market because they don't have to relearn the interface.
This is not as sound an argument as the one we agree on. Replicating the PC experience with your Mac product works if you have all these PC users at the office and one day IT removes their PCs and replaces them with Macs. Or if you have a company with Macs and PCs and IT support costs show up in a report somewhere, but Mac user frustration with a poor interface is "off balance-sheet."
But if someone owns a PC and decides to switch to a Mac, it's because he explicitly doesn't like the PC experience. Replicate the PC experience on his Mac, and you may find that he switches products as well as computers.
[citation needed]
edit: bring them on! :D
I have Parallels. If you log into the Guest account on my machine and want to run Skype, I'd rather you use Skype for Windows and get exactly what you want than deal with something that is kinda-sorta Skype for Windows, but not enough to delight you as a user.
Is it? Can you cite some sources?
I'd less native UIs to take longer, as more custom widgets and chrome is requires. Not to mention, the result is more likely to "feel wrong" since it's less likely to conform to that platform's conventions.
From what I recall, Skype's Windows UI is actually written in Delphi - maybe that has changed now, but I think don't they actually have a unified code base for the user interface.
Well, it’s too touchy. Even though I’m better with it now… if you happen
just to move your hand or something, you know, then all of a sudden you’re
out of what you’re in. That’s bad I think.
Notice she doesn't say "you go back a page" or "you've opened something" she says "you're out of what you're in". Anyone whose done some usability testing knows that users all the time get "out of what they're in" and are completely lost. And as the designer you are screaming in your head "You've just gone to your Account page! Just click the huge red "Back to my movies" link at the top of the page you ninny!" All. The. Time. Bless us, designers and users both.I call this an unsolved problem because the options are equally bad:
1) Have one panel where you replace the contents frequently. Like a web browser. Unfortunately, as the article points out, prevents doing two things at once. And it forces people to learn often complicated mechanisms for navigating from state to state.
2) Show multiple panels at the same time. Takes up a lot of space, especially when there are lots of panels. Can be confusing at first.
3) Show multiple panels, but with the ability to close panels. This introduces the UI problem of reopening them. You can allow people to shrink/move around the panels independently, but that gives the user even more ways to lose something.
There are more advanced ways to deal with the problem. Zooming User Interfaces[2] were meant to deal with this somewhat... by giving everything a place and a context, they were supposed to allow you to maintain a good sense of where things are. But in practice, they turned out to be even more disorienting than a contextless browser window because navigation is less constrained and there are so many more places to get lost.
Microsoft, with WP7 does a little innovating here with their panoramic view control[3]. It puts UI elements in a context and lets you see a little bit of that context, without forcing people to do free navigation in a virtual space.
As for Skype, I won't argue that the new version is better for anyone, because I haven't seen the user testing. It's obviously worse for one person, but even objectively better designs are sometimes worse for power users who have deeply entrenched workflows in the old product. I do think there's a reasonable chance that they made the change because of user testing and that novice users are fundamentally happier in the new version. Again, I don't know because I haven't seen the testing.
But I will say that the OP is wrong about something. His problem is not the overall decision to integrate the video and chat into one window. His problem is that they hid the "open a chat for this person" button. If they had left the windowing exactly the same, but removed the "open chat" button from the user list and made you mouse over a video window to see it, he would've been equally lost.
The problem isn't that they made the wrong choice among flawed windowing models. The problem is they didn't do the work of making the UI work well within the constraints the windowing model provides. If they did extensive testing with a variety of users (including both novices who get lost, and advanced users who construct massive structures of windows to coordinate with dozens of people) they would've caught the video/chat bug.
[1] http://technologizer.com/2011/03/28/my-mom-reviews-the-ipad-... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_user_interface [3]http://www.kotancode.com/2010/08/12/preview-of-the-panorama-...
After struggling to see the benefit of Skype 5, I wished to downgrade back to the previous version. However, I couldn't find a link anywhere on the Skype.com website for previous versions. As a result I searched on Google and found a third-party website offering previous versions for download (http://mac.oldapps.com/skype.php?old_skype=37).
I downloaded and installed the older version, and logged into my account. Later that night I received an email from Skype confirming a purchase for an "Online Number" that I hadn't made. I immediately logged in to investigate and I could see the transaction pending. I managed to log into Paypal and remove Skype from my trusted billers in time.
I believe that the version of Skype I downloaded was stealing login credentials. Let this be a warning to others that are trying to roll back their Skype client!
I emailed Skype's security team (after long minutes trying to find a very hidden contact link on their site). The response was cookie cutter, but ridiculously contained a sales pitch for the very feature that was just illegally purchased from my stolen account! This was infuriating - like a slap in the face from Skype considering my state of mind:
<i>If you'd like to get more out of Skype, why not learn about all our great features - like Online Numbers? Anyone can dial your Online Number from any phone or mobile, your Skype rings and you pick up the call – wherever you are in the world. Find out more at http://www.skype.com/go/onlinenumber/</i>;
Version 2.8 can be found on Skype's website (Techcrunch linked to it in a recent article): http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/maco...
In a business setting I would say that 90% of the time Skype is used as an IM client because of its working persistant groups and functional file transfers.
Entrepreneurs take note, there's an opportunity to make a competitor to Skype even though many would say that's crazy since Skype is so entrenched. However Skype has failed to innovate and is regressing in user experience. If someone nails the group chat features first and give table stakes for the voice/video chat we'd have a viable alternate for business use.
It's now no longer hassle free. Like the OP I find the new Skype wretched, now use it less and would jump at helping my contacts and I switch.
Question: How many Mac users are in the internal Skype testing program? I'm guessing not many
// The rest of the world never really used AIM. Certainly here in Australia it was ICQ and then MSN (and now facebook) for chat.
Skype has always been the VOIP / Video Chat service of choice..
Seems to work everywhere that has an OS Recognized camera and mic. I've talked with people on linux, and windows, from my OS 10.6 machine.
And I am not sure you are in a position to tell a client "sorry, we would rather use GTalk or Jabber!".
If you remember RealPlayer, know Skype for Windows, know iTunes for Windows, you'll know exactly what I mean.
I only use Skype to video chat with my daughters and it could be easily swapped over to Google chat + Video.
It seems rather inevitable.
Y'know people like to say this, but I think it's simply untrue. MediaMonkey/Winamp/Songbird/Media Jukebox/FooBar all have the advange they're more flexible & have greater format support, but for simply listing and playing and managing your music, iTunes is far nicer.
All music managers are horrible to some extent, I am left wondering why.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/07/apple_announce...
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http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9177819/Jobs_has_loft...
Seems striking that it's been nearly a year and we haven't heard a peep about making it open. I would presume that if it were, it could be possible to bridge the two protocols or eliminate the need for skype.
It sort of behooves them to release it... it would build support for FaceTime, which would make their phones more useful.
But it seems pretty certain they don't want other phones to be able to check that FaceTime box on their marketing materials just yet. I know being able to chat with my mom and sister who both have iPhones is one reason I'm considering buying one.
Seems low to announce it as an open spec if you don't have any intentions of opening it any time soon though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming
Edit: Spelling
In what possible world does coverflow for contacts make better sense than just a simple list?
It took actual time for me to figure out how to find my contacts and place a call. I hold a degree, I am not an idiot. For a program designed specifically for the purpose of calling people, for that functionality to be that un-intuitive is simply mind-boggling.
One thing that's particularly annoying about Skype's UI is that you have no idea how to help a coworker using a different operating system because the layout is totally different. Certainly doesn't help adoption.
The other day, after upgrading, I could not for the life of me figure out how to bring up the number key pad while on a voice call. I needed to "press 1 for X", but I couldn't do it. This used to be easy in Old Skype.
If a power user like myself can't figure something out, chances are it's too difficult or hidden for casual users too.
That burned me in a Skype call yesterday (first time using it since the new version upgrade). I had to send the link by email instead. I also couldn't figure out how to hang up a call, so I had to quit the app!
EDIT: I should read the article - it has this in there.
I guess if everyone is complaining, it ceases to be a problem and becomes a feature :-)
Can anyone confirm?
P.S. I personally think the new Skype 5 for Mac is a disaster
Skype has been in our plans for our poor man's Telepresence setup, but at the same time, I've never been super comfortable with relying on Skype, particularly with their bare-bones Linux support.
My friends and I have come up with a pretty good use for the mood message: with a custom chatstyle I hacked together, if you set your mood message to a hex color, the header on your message shows up in that color. It's great for our multi-person chats to keep messages straight.
http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/maco...
I discovered more recently that if I mouse-overed the number in the left hand menu it would eventually pop up in a tooltip, but eventually is the operative here. I have to wait a full 5 seconds or so for it to show up, and that's a long time in annoyed-liedra time.
I hope they fix a lot of this up, because at the moment it's just rubbish.
Seriously though, Skype has shown they don't give a crap about their Linux users.
http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-skype/on-your-computer/l...
>"Skype 2.1 Beta 2 for Linux > >We're excited to announce a new beta version for Linux, with extra features and better sound and video quality ..."
I'm exaggerating, sure, but everybody was thrilled to get rid of the Skype 5 horror.
For people who haven't followed the link, 2.8 is available from the source at http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/maco...
I can "fix" the windows version by turning off a lot of the "Today screen" and superfluous information bars everywhere. To make it look more like the old Mac version.
1) The dial pad is one of the only things still in a separate window, which is a pain when entering conference call passwords (which is what I use Skype for half of the time). Before you could just click in the call window and start hitting numbers.
2) I can no longer have two different chats open side by side.
Aesthetically I actually don't mind it. It's the huge step backwards in UX that I hate.
Thinking about a downgrade myself...