Covid-19 is causing a wide range of disorders in the nervous system
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But hospital discharge just means the treatment you get stops being worth the time/money. Ideally you finish convalescing at home. But any consequential damage isn’t ignored, as if you just had had a dented panel replaced on your car.
Once I understood this error some of the discussion about dealing with the virus made sense.
And we know even less about the long-term epigenetic effects. What's the effect on childhood development? Fetal development in the case of infection during pregnancy? Who knows.
Aside from a very tiny group who had strokes (again, mostly elderly), this research shows predominantly mild symptoms that (e.g. headache, insomnia), which would not be expected to persist.
If you read past the headline, you will see that even this article makes it clear that the vast majority of patients have minimal symptoms:
” Another large-scale study, this one with 909 coronavirus patients in Madrid, showed that 90% of cases simultaneously experienced changes to, or the loss of, the sense of smell and taste. In most of these cases, these changes were the only clinical expression of coronavirus or were accompanied by other minor symptoms.”
See the recent matter on antibody decline: few if any got it right (although it can mean a waning immune response it is not enough to tell if it is happening).
Especially in the US, where healthcare bills are the number one reason for personal bankruptcies (66.5%).
I wouldn't conflate a clickbait headline on a single article by a single website into a widespread conspiracy by "the media" to spread panic.
The death rate alone is ~0.8%. There are another few percent that require hospitalization. The >99% of covid cases are not mild.
It is not.
The current estimates for IFR run from ~0.2-0.7%. The current best estimate of IFR from the CDC is 0.65%, with the deaths skewed heavily to the elderly and infirm.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena...
One thing to remember that at any one time there might be 99% not serious, but that includes a bunch of people who are recovering from serious or who will degrade to serious. Over the full cycle of the disease a much larger percentage will have a serious state. Close to 1% will die.
At the same time, being in prone position, getting steroids, etc really do seem to increase survival so maybe the death rate now is lower.
Hopefully TX, FL, AZ are used as a basis for some study as so many of those in the hospital now are young (ie, under 40).
If death rates were 1/10 of what they are (which really means a less severe virus overall), there's a good chance most countries would have let it run its course.
So, just to mention to not discard that.
In fact a lot of people are experiencing several degrees of anxiety during this period.
None of us experienced this level of stress and anxiety before, the glimpse of uncertainty and the lack of control fucks our mind.
One of the triggers I had was allergy (clogged nose), and other was when I saw news of people acting irresponsibly after me doing my part and giving up a lot of things to try to contain this (I'm not from the US, I'm from the EU).
Most recently I was 100% convinced I was having a retina detachment. Noticing a ton of “floaters”, sparkles in my vision, etc. Came back from a comprehensive examination at the eye doctor and the diagnosis was yet again, anxiety. After the clean bill of health, a lot of the symptoms disappeared.
I have been taken to the hospital (with blaring sirens) twice for anxiety mimicking heart attack symptoms. Completely checked out and walked out with a healthy heart and alprazolam. It happens only rarely but I carry a strip everywhere just in case as that is not fun.
I've never had headaches like this before, both in feeling and duration.
I've been careful since the end of February. Always wearing a mask, social distancing, hand washing with soap and disinfectant wipes. I've had limited exposure to other people except delivery people, my GF, my mom. I've only been to stores 3 times since the end of February.
I knew it was just a matter of time when I saw the massive increase in numbers of infected in this county. People almost have completely stopped wearing masks or social distancing.
Luckily, the worst is already over for me. I'm getting better by the day, and it was a short illness too.
I will still use best practices after my self quarantine is over.
The only solution is complete segregation and sustainable farming. Otherwise you are fodder as an individual and at best helping the R0 rate decline as well as the velocity of spread.
That isn't strange to me.
The problem is that "some" isn't enough. Everyone needs to work together. sigh
> nausea,headache,confusion,weakness,ataxia
I have experienced these with low oxygen saturation (I have had chronic asthma my whole life, some really bad attacks).
If it's affecting his vision also (black dots) get him checked.. it's known that scar tissue continues to exist on the lungs (similar to pneumonia survival) and will take a very long time (decades) to recover, potentially).
Nonetheless, I read it and upvoted it because I like to think of myself as a reality-facing optimist, as opposed to a wishful-thinking optimist. (The landscape of history is littered with the dead bodies of wishful-thinking optimists; I don't want to be one of them.)
After reading this story, along with recent evidence that a substantial portion of covid-19 patients exhibit cardiac anormalities [a] and that herd immunity to covid-19 may be infeasible [b], I realize how little we actually know about this new disease.
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[a] https://academic.oup.com/ehjcimaging/article/doi/10.1093/ehj...
They only looked at male patients aged 52-74, who were bad enough to be in hospital, and who had already been given an echocardiogram because there was an indicator, i.e. it's the subgroup that doctors deemed in need of a heart check because they were exhibiting symptoms like chest pain. The study indicates prevalence of abnormalities within those echoes - echoes from very ill people with symptoms of heart failure. They didn't take echoes for the study and they didn't run echoes on a random population.
Cytokine storms and their associated effects (like clotting ,etc.) are also present with other viral infections, like with the original Spanish Flu H1N1 strain (during the infamous "second wave").
"Regular" pneumonia can severely weaken you for months or a year, even if you have antibiotics.
This virus is absolutely not a magic virus. It is novel, but it is still a coronavirus.
The things that warrant the separate treatment are still the high death rate, high hospitalization rate, and potential for large spread across a population with little existing immunity.
CFS/ME sufferers often exhibit some of the neurological symptoms mentioned in the article (though not the more extreme/terminal ones like stroke).
Lyme disease sufferers also often exhibit these kinds of symptoms to some degree, which is why, in the absence of serology evidence, it can be difficult to distinguish from CFS/ME.
The medical community has been failing most of these people and I am among them. Many report symptoms during their course and doctors rarely report the issue to the FDA. I have been to Mayo and other popular hospital systems and honestly sometimes I feel like there is a big conspiracy to protect the drug, it seems quite surreal.
In Europe during EMA panel a few doctors spoke out and mentioned the issues their patients are dealing with. Some patients also described their symptoms: neurological issues, widespread muscle/tendon pain, insomnia. It sounds very similar to CFS/Fibro.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.07.030650v1
So beyond the risk of kidney failure stemming from damaged cardiovascular tissue debris jamming up nephrons (as well as potential direct kidney infection by the virus) and beyond the risk of stroke from the uptick of platelets and the redistribution of the marrow cells which produce them across the body (somehow. I can't find the research that identified this), there's also the risk that the virus is actually directly attacking neurons.
Not really a surprise considering how common ACE2 receptors are.
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I'm not a doctor. Not an epidemiologist either. Please fact-check me if I'm wrong.
”According to Segura, who co-authored the study, the most common symptoms experienced by coronavirus patients were myalgia, headaches and dizziness.”
And the truly killer quote:
”Another large-scale study...showed that 90% of cases simultaneously experienced changes to, or the loss of, the sense of smell and taste. In most of these cases, these changes were the only clinical expression of coronavirus or were accompanied by other minor symptoms.”
You downvote factual comments simply because you don’t agree with them, and don’t want others to see them.