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Speaking as someone who absorbs American media externally, there does seem to be a disconnect looking in.

About 40% of the America seems to still support Donald Trump, under most polls. It certainly isn't true that 40% of the media supports Donald Trump. As an external viewer, it's easy to imagine no-one was ever going to vote for Donald Trump, no-one ever supported him, and no-one supports him today, but that's clearly not reality.

Personally, I'd never have voted for him, but it's hard to understand why many of those who voted for him continue to support him, and it doesn't feel like the media is doing a good job here.

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As a hypothetical, imagine a leader who was consistently right. To be fair and balanced, what % of press coverage should be negative?

What if the idea that a fair and balanced press should split equally pro and con is itself a disconnect?

Which media do you watch? The largest cable news network is staunchly pro-trump.

But what exactly is the responsibility of a newspaper in this? I don't want to delve into opinion or ideology, but I think it's objectively true that Donald Trump lies constantly. A news source based on reporting facts should not be giving credence to nonsense because a lot of people believe it. Take climate change for example. Trump and the American right like to portray it as either untrue or unimportant. They are wrong. The NY Times is not serving anyone by running climate change denial opinions. It would be pandering. There's a strong thread of COVID-19 denialism on the right as well. It's all false and misleading. Those voices pushing to reopen quickly may have a lot of followers, but the NY Times absolutely should not amplify their voices.

> About 40% of the America seems to still support Donald Trump, under most polls. It certainly isn't true that 40% of the media supports Donald Trump. As an external viewer, it's easy to imagine no-one was ever going to vote for Donald Trump, no-one ever supported him, and no-one supports him today, but that's clearly not reality.

You seem to be missing a substantial portion of American media. You just gotta know where to look. There are far more outlets than the ones that get shared on HN, and something like talk radio is gonna be a complete black hole to the group here.

It is very possible (in fact, it would make sense), that the anti-Trump media, and the media that tries to reach outside of America to a worldwide audience, would have almost 100% overlap.

One of the problems Trump faces is that he's so outside the expected behavior boundaries that positives get much harder to find. The hard-conservative anti-Trumper is FAR more common than the hard-conservative anti-Busher was.

One of my historical barometers for what right-wing media is saying was talking to my parents and family, since they would try to convince me of the talking points they were hearing from Fox News and AM talk radio, and I'd try to convince them of what I was getting from the NYT or the New Yorker.

But they abandoned Fox News and most of the talk shows they listened to in 2017 because they can't stand Trump (but still yet cannot bring themselves to vote for a Democrat, because abortion). So now all I know is that those were still wildly conservative-leaning and pro-Trump 3 years ago. I'm sure they're still conservative-leaning, but I no longer have as direct a view into if they're pro-Trump.

The True Trump Believers tend to gravitate towards fringe news sources online. Breitbart and The Blaze are probably the most well known, but there are many others. Most of the others are basically Wordpress blogs with a theme that makes them look like a news site. They run the gamut from “slightly right of center politically”, to “racist and not really trying to hide it”.

All this to say, if you’re consuming popular American news sites and TV channels, you’ll see almost nothing that paints Trump in a positive light. The fringe sources typically portray him as the savior America needs.

I’m not a Trump supporter in the least, but I do scan some of the milder fringe sites periodically just to see what the conversation is like there. It’s useful to see what the world looks like through their eyes. But I don’t linger long, because some of it is truly awful.

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