With cops away, it’s like Capitol Hill is slipping back to the Pinkerton’s era
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Is there a clearly laid out code that says what the penalty for non payment is? Does your car get keyed? window smashed? set ablaze? or do you get beat up?
Or that you’d get different treatment if your local goon was a psycho or a softie?
If the local goon is too harsh or too soft, he'll be replaced by a goon more in line with the values of the organization.
I can vote for local taxes - either directly via ballot propositions in California or indirectly by electing the people who will decide these taxes. Can I vote for the mafia here?
There is a predictability with taxes - I know exactly how much I am going to pay, how and when the tax rate is going to change etc. Any change comes with sufficient notice and always subject to a democratic process which I can participate in (town halls, petitions to governments, elections). What is the predictability / process here?
Taxes are still constrained to the constitutional framework of the USA. And there is a clearly defined legislative process which people can follow in case they think taxes are unjust. Judicial rulings are enforced throughout the country. What is the process here to address my grievances? Is it predictable or subject to whims of the local mafia?
They prefer private entrepreneurs rent seeking, rather than a representative government doing it?
Police were prevalent, just setting up speed traps and shaking down tourists.
In Egypt a decade or so ago, this was rife. There was the usual tipping, but a guy at the airport wanted a tip for telling me it was OK to use a public toilet. Watching cars is another common one, and it's appreciated of course but the implicit threat of damage is not. Offering to carry bags through the express security line in the airport was another strange one.
So I guess, very similar to central america
Maybe if you get in on the class action lawsuit against the city. There's no duty to protect (which is absurd, but apparently how this country works), but the premise of the lawsuit is that the city did worse than merely failing to protect.
This is a common misconception that people hold.
The biggest trouble with this model is the lack of long-term predictability. Sure, you can pay your protection money and operate your business today, but the next day your "supervisor" gets on bad terms with his superiors and gets replaced. Their successor may simply not like you (or have their own protege to take your place) and then you're basically screwed. Your business gets raided, your family is taken hostage, you will be happy if you're left alive after basically donating your share to somebody who had better connections.
As a result, nobody wants to do long-term investments. Business that cannot be promptly liquidated is not not worth the hassle. Assets that cannot be transferred outside of Russian jurisdiction in case shit hits the fan are liabilities. So the economy boils down to extremely corrupt oil/gas companies owned by people from Vladimir Putin's personal network, and rather rare mom-and-pop shops that sort of fly under the radar until they don't.
I hope this model isn't coming to the West, since it's simply incompatible with economic prosperity.
On the way out, several cars had had their windshields smashed: punishment for the non-payers.
Whenever anyone talks about how bad things are here, I invite them to Honduras, especially if they make claims like “nowhere is as bad as the US”.
FTFY.
First off, while I was there, it was an overall friendly, bustling atmosphere. There were no armed security forces, no armed thugs demanding protection money from businesses, etc... It felt more like the Folklife festival; there were parents with their kids, people doing street art, and stalls selling food. While most people were wearing masks, there was also a distinct lack of social distancing. My first impression was that this was a plausible excuse for people to be outside and in a large, social situation. It was a beautiful sunny day, of course people want to be outside.
There was a central event area where there were some kind of organized speeches/events. While I was there, a speaker was talking about the unjust seizure of land in the Seattle area from an indigenous people group, and after that there was a musical performance from members of that indigenous group. All around the area there were solicitors urging the passers by to sign petitions and vote on various issues. The craziest things I saw were people digging up Cal Anderson park lawn spaces to create vegetable patches. There was an incredible amount of graffiti all over the place, a high percentage of it anti-cop. There were stalls with free granola bars/water/other snackish things and a few pieces of first aid equipment, all labeled as "supplies for protesters".
What follows are my opinions and interpretations:
I do not believe the CHAZ/CHOP had any real impact on the political discourse of Seattle. There was heavy protesting and rioting beforehand in the Capitol Hill area up to the retreat of the Police from that precinct (for those unfamiliar with Seattle political geography, Cap Hill is an epicenter of progressive/liberal culture) and the retreat of the police was a very good move from the government's standpoint. By giving a very small area of land over to "the protesters" (whatever group may take that mantle upon themselves) the city government did two things: it successfully redirected attention away from the police and the issue at hand, and it allowed the protest movement to collapse under its own weight.
I was struck by the lack of focus of the protest movement; while the police were pushing back against the protests, there was a very clear message being sent through social media, the traditional media, and in the channels of political discourse: The current level of police violence is unacceptable. However just a few days after the CHAZ/CHOP was born, a large number of tangentially-related concerns bubbled to the surface. While I was there, I was approached by solicitors that wanted to pass better environmental regulations, pass legislation to protect trans teens, and institute new taxes on large corporations (e.g. Amazon). All three were motivated in some way ("POC communities are usually the first to suffer in environmental disasters, to protect these communities we must protect the environment", or "how will we pay for new social programs? Tax Amazon!") but it was very clear to me that without keeping a strong focus on changing policies to suppress police violence, outsiders of this movement would be enabled to glance into the cauldron of demands and simply state "the socialists are yelling again".
With regards to the shootings, I can say that while I nor anyone I know who went to the zone personally saw firearms, I know they were there at some point, and there were people with more firepower than sense taking advantage of the lack of cops to do whatever they wanted. I can see the tone of the area changing drastically between 3pm and 3am (which is when some of the shootings occured) and while I am certain the lack of police presence did not help matters, Seattle does have shootings every now and then. It's not immediately clear to me how much of the shootings is or is not due to lack of police.
I have not been to capitol hill since the police moved back in; from what I have heard from other people who have been there, things are more or less "normal" now, just with more graffiti and street art. I don't know what's going to happen to the vegetable gardens. ;)
The vegetable gardens are gone.
Proof: https://imgur.com/a/7hKqmUe
Authoritative Sources of information:
- https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/
- https://twitter.com/Omarisal
To kick things off:
- Local business hired a PMC/Local Armed Security group (don't remember the name) to provide real security after Car Tender was attacked. On the night that happened, they had a dude with an AR15. What happened was some junkie/non protester jumped a fence, started a fire, took some cash, and keys to vehicles. The owners (dude with a gun) detained him, but protesters started mobbing and forced them to release the dude who broke in. Some stuff was recovered by the mob.
- There was at least two armed groups of volunteer security. One organized one (the gun club mentioned and the now well known picture of the dude with the ar15, vest, and green bandana- this dude: https://libertyunyielding.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/arm...) was part of it. From what I've been told, they were organized and mostly on the roof providing overwatch and sniper support in case something happened. The other group was possible gang bangers- these are the people who shot the white jeep and most likely executed one person. Then there is "Raz." I am unware of his involvement other then breaking multiple state and federal firearms laws.
- Towards the end, a majority of the population was a mixture of homeless, gang members, and non-local people who came to support the vision of CHAZ. There was protesters, but their numbers deminished
There are more then a few "for sale" signs in Capital Hill that I've walked past in the past few weeks. I watched a few people move out of my building and I'm planning on leaving shortly when I land a new job (or I don't)- just gotta find out which.
The area proper on 29 was generally enjoyable to be around. Observed lots of drifter types, no visible violence, some good musical performances, nice community gardens, free food tent. Saw very little public drinking, some weed, lots of tobacco (mainly self-rolling, which I thought was interesting). A few circles of older folks smoking weed in circles out front their tents and hammocks on the outskirts of the habitation.
The protests at the police line were very disheartening. The militarization of police was of course frightening (not for my own life so much as the state of the nation). The protesters themselves had a fair amount of infighting, some of them seemed unstable (these ones were often the ones with guns).
Overall I found the CHOP area pleasant to be around, however the fact that CHOP armed guards killed more black teens in that ~2 week period than SPD in the past 6 months made me question if it was possible to logically consistently support both CHOP and BLM -- it's concerning there hasn't been more coverage of the disconnect there.
Being able to hold conflicting beliefs simultaneously is the hallmark of a failed political ideology.
For the record: put me in the "police are needed to deter obvious crime and violence" camp AND the "we do WAY too much policing of things other than immediate criminal behavior" group. How's that for failed?
Well then you wouldn't fall into any political ideology I was being critical of. Both your views are moderated by some common sense. Abolishing the police force is not a moderate view (and yet is what is being called for).
I didn't realise that wanting a police force automatically made you a conservative? Wasn't your main point that the left still want law enforcement?
https://twitter.com/jduffyrice/status/1270380991178321921
https://www.mpd150.com/what-are-we-talking-about-when-we-tal...
People say crazy shit somewhere, I'm sure. But even the Chapo folks aren't calling for this in the way you mean.
This quote however is a worthy take away:
"As for “Defund the Police,” that slogan doesn’t mean get rid of the police completely. It’s to cut their budget and demilitarize their roles while boosting social services. This is a rational goal, but we can already see one possible unintended outcome if the people of Seattle perceive that traditional police services are declining. Those with money will just hire their own “high threat private protection services.” They’re already doing it.
There’s a ton of work to be done reforming the police. But going back to the Pinkerton’s era has got to be one of worst ways to reduce inequality in a city already riven by it."
- It misses the part where the CHAZ "security" murdered a black teenager, and tried to kill another: https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020/06/night-of-gunfire-... (topical to the article, though)
- The camp is gone, swept up by the SPD re-occupying the precinct. Wrapped up a couple weeks ago.
If you want on-the-ground reports from people in the neighborhood (not really the camp itself), there are a LOT of threads about the CHAZ/CHOP on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/seattle. Lot of trolling, lot of flaming, but also a lot of people who live on cap hill who talk about their experience living next to it.
Honestly, it's weird that an article criticizing the CHOP security debacle would decide to leave out pertinent details that help bolster the critique.
As a side note, there is both/r/seattle and /r/seattlewa. Both of them are seeing heavy traffic from out-of-towners right now, but the general divide is /r/seattle is the left-leaning one and /r/seattlewa is the right-leaning one (at least within the context of Seattle).
Even bad cops are better than no cops.
The rich will have private securty.
The middle class will have good guns and good ammo.
The poor will have nothing and suffer.