> - it can be the same language as the backend
This is already the case for Javascript :) Also you get much bigger collection of ready to use opensource libraries, and better performance.
This is already the case for Javascript :) Also you get much bigger collection of ready to use opensource libraries, and better performance.
bigger number, but that's because there is no (useful) standard library in JS. Datetime for example, there are loads of libs for that in JS, some of which are complete.
In python you just use the built in one. You bust out to a non standard lib when you want something fancy.
`aiohttp` is a a 3rd party package if you want a more succinct expression of the same functionality.
I was thinking more about higher level libraries like frameworks.
> Datetime for example, there are loads of libs for that in JS, some of which are complete. Ahm, and if you need to work with Timezones(not much fancy IMO) you still need an external library.
As an experienced JS/TS and Python developer, I can confidently say that the Node.js / npm / yarn ecosystem sucks compared to what you get with Python and PyPi.
>npm / yarn ecosystem sucks compared to what you get with Python and PyPi
So you claim Python has a better standard library AND a better package ecosystem? That's bold. Care to expand on why you feel this?
I ask because of this. From the perspective of a JS dev who helps Python devs at work, pip seems pretty weak, its publishing story even weaker, and then both languages seem to have all their strength in their package ecosystems (Python: tf, django, dataframes, etc; JS: react, typescript, etc). So now to see you say "npm ecosystem sucks compared to pip" has me wondering what I'm missing.
Both languages suffer from patchwork build infrastructure; interpreted languages are great when you have one file and no dependencies, but as soon as you grow a bit beyond that rules about where to find modules make things complicated. Both languages have developed tooling around this that suffers from being an afterthought, and I'm not sure which is worse.
Definitely let's be clear - babel & webpack and the associated ecosystem are a pain, but those are mostly borne of necessity to transpile HTML/CSS/JS from frameworks, and not because node.js itself isn't a decent language.
Finally, I don't really follow all this business about the lack of standard library. Can you explain to me what you mean? What parts of the Python standard library are a part of your everyday toolkit? I've built a lot of web apps over the years and the only time I've ever used lodash is for throttle and debounce.
The Python ecosystem makes publishing binary packages easy. node-pre-gyp might come close if you use S3.
The most used NPM packages[1] overlap with Python's argparse, datetime, glob, os, shutil, uuid, and xml modules.
This is a succinct guide to publishing a PIP package: https://medium.com/@joel.barmettler/how-to-upload-your-pytho...
An npm publish requires you to run `npm publish`, assuming your `package.json` points to the entrypoint of your code. Remember: `package.json` is pre-populated when you start your project with `npm init`.
Also, I was able to run my own NPM instance with a zero-config tool, I expect Python has parity there.
Anyways, pip... Just the other day, I went to use a Python project I had been regularly using, and without any changes to Python, my OS, pip, or the project, it completely started failing. Some errors that the `ssl` module wasn't available. How can a module not be available? There was no easy solution, all to something triggered by nothing. This install was literally done thru a source-controlled script too. It's a pretty awful situaton.
Anyways, NPM has never so wholly failed me, and in the worst cases where it fails it usually has helpful messages directing the user what to do.
That plus tools `npx` make it pretty clear to me, Python is literally version and dependency hell. NPM has had this all on lock for years now
Not that npm doesn't have flaws, but it gets much more things right.
I can say the same. As an experienced Python and TS/JS developer, I confidently state that Python ecosystem sucks compared to what you get with typescript and npm. And if we take only type systems TS is on another level compared to Python.
Also, Python is one of the most loved and fastest growing languages: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019#most-loved-dr...
Also for me always the question is loved by who. Of course junior/beginner level people will prefer simplistic language like Python, because that's the main target audience for Python as a language.
> - loved by who
Python is used by a huge number of professional developers for commercial applications, it is not targeted specifically towards beginners. Also, I don't see how it being a go-to language for a lot of beginners is a bad thing. A language being more complicated doesn't inherently make it better.
At the end of the day there are use cases for Javascript just as there are Python. The people using Brython will have their own reasons, just like you have yours for using Javascript for your applications.