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WikiLeaks 9/11 Files

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    2001-09-11 03:03:00 Metrocall [0476499] A  ALPHA  THIS IS A TEST PERIODIC PAGE SEQUENTIAL NUMBER  1890
    2001-09-11 03:03:00 Metrocall [1064376] C  ALPHA  GOVPX TREASURY 30__99.03 /05+5.437 10_101.09 /10 4.835 5Y_101.08+..................................................................
    2001-09-11 03:03:00 Metrocall [1064377] C  ALPHA  ...........................................................................
    2001-09-11 03:03:00 Metrocall [0000329] C  ALPHA  ..................
    2001-09-11 03:03:02 Metrocall [0000329] C  ALPHA  RIODIC PAGE SEQUENTIAL NUMBER  1890
    2001-09-11 03:03:03 Skytel [0001048] C  ALPHA  PERFORMANCE FEED TRANSMITTED 0301 HR.  MORGAN ADVISED.  H.M.-COMMAND CENTER
    2001-09-11 03:03:05 Arch [0895403] C  ALPHA  THIS IS A TEST PERIODIC PAGE SEQUENTIAL NUMBER  6712
    2001-09-11 03:03:05 Arch [1425048] C  ALPHA  300~MPfetchData:openConnectionToManager:ERROR CONNECTING:192.168.35.97 : www36 connectToServerPort:socket/socket timed out at /home/crdtdrv/cred>
    2001-09-11 03:03:05 Skytel {1079475} 3 1200 50413
    2001-09-11 03:03:09 Metrocall [002286026] C  ALPHA  5060>>>>>
    2001-09-11 03:03:09 Metrocall [1545041] A  ALPHA  Frm: fax@act0911.com Txt: smtp.cfgg.org is UP

It looks like IRC log from Irssi.

This is the log of pager (beeper) traffic on 9/11. Because pagers are unencrypted broadcast traffic, it is routinely collected by people for fun. Someone turned the logs from NY over to Wikileaks and they created a public archive.

It was released in 2009. https://911.wikileaks.org/

Nothing immediately jumps out at me as being terribly important, but it's interesting to see how it was initially reported as a "small plane" then became a "commuter type plane" and "twin eng plane", alongside various vague references to an "explosion", or a "fire", and a few speculations that it was a bomb. I've never really thought about how confusing those first few minutes must have been (I was 11 at the time, and didn't see it until after the second plane had crashed, so it was fairly obvious what had happened).

The Guardian has an article here <https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/nov/25/wikileaks-publ... summarising it (dated 25 Nov 2009), though I might include:

> 2001-09-11 08:47:46 Arch [0901509] B ALPHA Someone just told me there was an explosion at

> [...]

> 2001-09-11 08:47:48 Arch [0901509] B ALPHA wtc....BR

in their list of defining moments, as it seems to be the first reference to the events.

I miss Wikileaks. I'm looking forward to whatever replaces it coming online. It seems that Assange is headed for the grave - I wonder if the leaks will continue, anyway?

Not naturally.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21384573

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23273961

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23273988

I concur, Assange is being slowly tortured to death while awaiting this sham trial.

But I do think the leaks will continue. Those of us paying attention to the Assange saga have seen a new wave of evidence of crimes against humanity being prepared for release. This problem is NOT going away for the American people. The magnitude of the crime is just too large.

>sham trial.

How is it a sham trial?

Because Assange has not been allowed to defend himself, by any stretch of the imagination whatsoever.

When you are accused of a crime where do you typically go to defend yourself?

Yea, that's how it works.

Self defense is level 0 of a functioning judicial system.

Perhaps you get a lawyer to do it for you, but if you cant defend yourself, you are not operating in the most basic system of law.

It's similar to a place where silent protest is outlawed, and therefore you are mandated to vote.

He has not been convicted, and yet he is dying in there. Just a concidence right?

Other thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23513669

Are these different from the ones published over 10 years ago?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/nov/25/wikileaks-publ...

While this is nothing "secret" or new (originally released on 2010) it is interesting to see how some people reacted at first. Some of the messages right after the first attack talk about a plane crash or fire at the Pentagon rather than a terror attack. Although I did get excited, I was hoping for more information about flight 93.

>Some of the messages right after the first attack talk about a plane crash or fire at the Pentagon rather than a terror attack.

Why do you find this interesting? I'm genuinely curious. As a civilian, until the second plane crashed an accident seemed like the most likely explanation. And it wasn't clear what happened at the Pentagon for a while.

I don't know how old you are but when it happened I was more interested in watching the cool explosions on TV. In fact, there are some people here who probably weren't even alive when it happened. I'm not saying that it is surprising how people reacted, but rather it gives me a glimpse into how people felt.

Similarly I would be interested in how the public opinion of Hitler changed. There are quotes from some German Jewish leaders in the 30s saying that Hitler should get more power. I too would be interested in understanding how the opinions changed.

I sort of assumed you weren't alive. I was in high school and remember watching the news reporting a plane had crashed into the tower with an unknown cause then later that there was an explosion then fire at the Pentagon. Finding that surprising is foreign to me, and I wondered if younger people had the impression that it was immediately clear that it was a terrorist attack.

The historiography of WWII has significantly downplayed Hitler's popularity before the war, however many Jewish leaders remaining in Germany were not speaking for the Jewish population.

I can sort of see how post-9/11 'kids' who grew up in a society that sees terrorism everywhere might think that it's odd to assume it was just a plane crash.

As a teen, I also thought it was just a crash. I was at school and someone mentioned it and we went to look for a tv. It's difficult to forget how the mood went from 'shit, that sucks but cool explosion and most people below the crash site will probably get out' to 'shit, another plane, and now the towers are collapsing'.

I also expect there's some rote memorization happening. After hearing "the terrorist attacks of 9/11" a billion times it kinda sticks.

I heard about the first plane from a colleague of my dad, and I (admittedly not that old) threated it as a fun fact kind of, almost like a joke. "Can you believe crashing a plane into a building! How can the plane fly so low, how can the building be so tall". Almost like we expected it to be featured on the next blooper reel. Then we came home and watched it on TV, and understood the seriousness. Learning about the second plane was surreal, that planted a seed of this couldn't be an accident. Then the towers fell and the world changed. One of the smallest ways it changed was that we never again will be as naive when we are confronted by an act of terrorism like we were then. That is a weird untangible world that now are lost.

Almost all churches preached antisemitic sentiments for centuries before Hitler came along. Hitler amplified an already existing hate against the Jews.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_and_the_New_Tes...

We have pictures of Edward III the king of England visiting Hitler before the war.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/the-crown-edwar...

Rudolf Hess Deputy Führer flew to England in 1941 himself to convince England to join Hitler. With his capture it seems Churchill has single handedly stopped the cooperation of Great Britain with Germany.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Hess

>Similarly I would be interested in how the public opinion of Hitler changed.

I read "They Thought They Were Free" by Milton Mayer to get a glimpse of an answer to this question for myself. Highly recommended.

I was in second grade and it was show and tell, I dropped my LEGO Tie fighter and was in the hallway. First thing I heard was the White House or pentagon was on fire.

This is a old leak.

More interesting is I've yet to read a write up of where the leak came from, the question asked when it came out -

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/leaked_911_te...

Is it reasonable (not is it possible) a private citizen was at the time recording all pager traffic?

Can you read them passively and is it location based and does this data fit with that?

If it's not totally passive, would the network notice you vacuuming them all up?

Yes, It's totally reasonable that someone could have been routinely capturing all the pager data. Normally over a very large service area (possibly nationally) Yes, the data can be captured passively. It's just data (sounds a bit like old fashioned modems ) being broadcast over radio frequency. You just hook up a radio scanner to a pc, and run software to decode the tone, creating a huge text log, that contains all the messages.

What exactly is this? Looks like some sort of messages that were captured on a cellular network or something? There are messages about rebooting servers (something like alerts) and just general marketing spam.

It's an oldschool txt pager caputre. They are unencrypted over the air.

This data is not new[1], and it does originally source from wikileaks. It starts before the first aircraft impact[2].

There is a link in my profile that covers the same timeframe.

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20100911151142/http://911dataset...

[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20160405052531/http://911encyclo...

I feel a bit lost as to what we're looking at here.

A quick google search seems to indicate this is Pager data for a 48 hour window around 9/11.

Does someone know the source for this? Is there a Wikileaks page available authenticating this? I can't find one.

The tbragg account seems to be a student?

Yes I am a student.

It claims to originate at https://file.wikileaks.org/file/. It's probably 9-11_all_messages.7z or 9-11_messages.7z.

The file structure comes from 9-11_messages.7z

Seems to be the same as:

https://911.wikileaks.org/files/index.html

These are pager dumps re-released by Wikileaks cause I guess they don't have anything else going on for them.

Fun stuff though, the standard is called POCSAG and you can still decode over the air pager signals. Not that you should do that.

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